1867 No Rays RPD Shield Nickel

I'm usually not much of a variety guy, but I stumbled upon this today at a show and couldn't turn it down! What do ya'll think?

 

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cool

 

very nice!

 

Very nice, set you back much?

 

I'm not so sure about this one and have my doubts, but perhaps someone who specializes will chime in. Either way, congrats on the newp.

 

It is a true RPD. Not machine doubling. Cool coin!

 

Nice RPD,however that's not the only thing you got going on with this find! I need you to post a full image of both the obv. & rev. So I can get a better look.
You may also have to send this into Howard at shieldnickels.net .
Here's what I'm seeing #1 RPD #2 you have a clash in the upper shield and the clash is the 5 from the rev. # 3 you may have a MPD in the shield. And there's a good possibility there may be more. As soon as possible please post the two images full. Yes I know you can click on the tags but they tend to jump from one image to the next. Nice find you may have struck gold!

 

Do you have an attribution number (Fletcher or otherwise)?

 

Ok here's what I'm seeing. Yellow arrows is your re punched date, Green arrows is your 5 from the rev. clashed in the shield, red arrows maybe a MPD the 6 or 8 numbers. Now the blue lines are a question as I just sent in an 1867 to Howard to have a look see. Stay tuned for his take on these lines. I will tell you this. My images I sent to him he told me he's never before seen on a shield nickel.

 

don't need numbers to see what's there, besides there are more varieties not yet found/listed then there are already listed.

 

now there is an 1867 Ray's shield with a MPD in the shield. None listed without rays, There is also an 1867 listed with a reverse clash showing the ball and lower shield. And once again when it comes to shields anything in my book is possible! And I may be jumping the gun here but looking at the area where I see the MPD to be.... I'm seeing both the 86 in there.

 

But apparently we need your little arrows to see the obvious; gotcha.

Asking for an attribution number was a simple question and a very reasonable part of the discussion, and while I fully realize that known and likely produced varieties are two different things, this certainly does not mean any that could be a variety should simply be accepted as one. Now, based upon what I can see, not fall down stupidity, I questioned the RPD claim; nothing less and nothing more, and if willing to look at the coin with an open mind, it shouldn't be that hard to see why.

 

Well let me ask you a simple question . How many shield nickels have you had attributed ? And if you seen the obvious then why did you not post what you seen if it so obvious ?

 

Had it not already been established that there is a doubling visible on the date, be it from repunching or perhaps strike? Then why would I need to rehash it? Should I have ran to an editing program to place a bunch of arrows in trying to make myself look observant? If anything, if I had rushed to an editing program it would have been to at least do a quick overlay before declaring a potential MPD, but I digress.

As for how many I have attributed, let's just say that in the 25+ years I've spent in this hobby as a non-collector, I've had the opportunity to handle many of this type even though far from a specialty. I've come across more than a few examples of this type displaying SD on the date that strike me as being very similar to this, including the slightly deformed 7. Now this is not to say I am correct; again, it was a simple question and not an unreasonable one, but if you'd prefer a wee-ing contest, please have at it. If you'd rather not discuss the evidence itself, be it for or against your position, I understand; after all, that seems to have become the CT way.

 

Well, to those of us that need some help on series we are not that too familiar with, I think the arrows, with an explanation as to what is being pointed out is very helpful. I am not a collector of these but I have learned some new terminology that Paddy explained that I find helpful. If this may be a new unattributed variety how could someone provide an attribution number? I have collected coins for 48 years and there is always something new to learn. What I can learn nothing from are snarky comments and people who turn a learning experience into an argument. This = to nothing but cluttering an otherwise good thread.

 

So I am checking the coin out again and do not see what the red arrows(MPD) are pointing at which leads me to believe this was debris on the case when I took the photo. I will further examine and remove it tomorrow to get better photos. I am noticing some interesting doubling around he shield and A LOT of those unidentifiable(die scratches?) at the top of the shield. Further pics will follow.

 

If this is directed towards me, I am sorry you feel that way, but Mr. Paddy, instead of taking the route he has, could just as easily had used his implied experience with the type to educate me. I've repeatedly stated not that I amcorrect one way or the other, but only that I question the cause of the anomaly, which shouldn't be that big of a deal and be seen as an opportunity not to question my experience but to display his. I have absolutely NO problem with being shown my concerns were off the mark, but do when expected to simply take someone's word for it.

 

Paddy , I'm wondering if the date could be machine doubling ? I can see the clashes though .

 

Tommy you know the best way to deal with a Troll is to give them a iggy. They bring nothing to the table but their appetite to stir up trouble. So it's just like putting salt on a garden slug. Just hit the iggy button. I did...

 

Rusty I truly don't think so. There are devices on each of the numbers that lead me to believe a repunched date. When other images are posted out of the 2x2 we can better see the date to determine . Again shields are a great series to collect. I myself do buy specimens with MD. The reason being another specimen to catalog . These coins have a lot going on. They were the first nickels struck in copper/ nickel alloys . They are slightly thicker then nickels that were struck after this series . They also are smaller in diameter .
Shields are one series that one must study. They have a lot of different devices that need to be looked at. I have more specimens dated 1866- 1869 then other dates.
The reasons I have found that these years have some unreal varieties . Yes other years have varieties also but not as many. One that stands out is the 1876 bleeder. Only 17-30 known to exist . 1876 is a better date shield but the bleeder variety it in the top 20 variety known.

But again there are more varieties that are undiscovered , then have been cataloged to exist. This is what makes collecting this series so much fun! Besides great specimens are relatively cheap. So being able to collect a hoard of specimens without breaking your coin budget.
I am waiting now to hear back on the 4 nickels that I sent in last week to be attributed . I'm also waiting on the two dimes I sent in.