Beware of rainbow toning

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by merrill01, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    The only reason why I would even think of something like that is because most of the coin related names are taken and would lead to ambiguity/confusion with other posters. And I have seen posters angry with the wrong person before, over confusing a moniker. So I wanted something that I would likely remember and care about, but I also wanted something distinctive for the reasons above. There is nothing insecure or pretentious about it. The ones that are pretentious are the ones that put the professional suffix on Facebook or personal letters, or the ones that introduce themselves as "Dr." so and so at social events. I assure you, if you ever meet me, that I am not and will never be one of those people.
     
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Don't recall seein' ya all that much around these parts Coinchemestry. Perhaps because we run in different circles?

    I like you and what you have to say.
     
  4. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    I like the cut of your jib.
     
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  5. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Since a coin with no overt colored toning never the less has some oxide or reactants, which is usually called 'patina' that limits corrosion with no other corrosion stimulus, such as higher concentration of sulfides, carbonates, oxides , etc present. Once such occur, and color toning develops ( layers of diffractive chemicals), then increasing the primers such as hydrogen sulfide will more readily add to the corrosion/toning that exists IMO. Thus if one starts with a very light 'Dansco tone' it theoretically could be enhanced into a strong toned coin, as the pattern would have over lying layers.
     
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  6. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    As long as I don't confuse you with better coins thru chemistry verses Coinchemistry. :>) Odd; part of our discussion is on artificial rainbow toning.
     
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  7. re-collect

    re-collect Active Member

    Me too, and I'm a nuculer fissisist.
     
  8. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    I proof read dictioneries for spelling.
     
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  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I pick up AT and NT coins out of parking lots.
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    How can you pick up AT coins in parking lots? Parking lots are outside in nature and nature is natural.
     
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  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Tire tracks
     
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  12. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Oil slick.... :happy:
     
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  13. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    if the actual number of people who like toned coins is less then i think then it would be even easier to collapse the market with a flood of mass produced toned coins.
     
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  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Tires are made of rubber and rubber plants are natural. Confusing, ain't it? :D
     
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  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    What the devil thread am I in? A bourbon too many perhaps? On the morrow dear fellows, my time is nigh........And I'm tired and I want to go to bed. See ya all in the morning......
     
  16. Thelionwarrior

    Thelionwarrior Active Member

    This whole post shows exactly what is wrong with coin collecting today. Obviously people just don't get it anymore.... whats the grade?? Is this a highly graded coin??? Is the toning natural or unnatural??? Oh I like that coin... lets break the mint set and grade it... lol... Geeze... all these stupid tricks to try to make an extra dollar... The bottom line is if you like the coin... buy it... if you don't then don't.... coin colkecting should be about whether you like the coin or not.... not what its grade is or if its toned naturally or blah blah blah..... with the exception of counterfeit coins, there really shouldn't be anything to complain about. I personally think the whole grading thing is stupid and have seen dealers all mad because they thought they bought a 69 but it came back a 68.... oh no! Now I over paid for the coin! Lol.... well thats what you for for buying the grade and not the coin. Go back to the basics.
     
  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    My bad. Should have said A/T ed coins.
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Good night, Kenneth. Sleep tight. I know this is very confusing. Just so you don't stay awake tossing and turning wondering whether toning from oil slicks is natural, it most definitely is natural, as oil comes from decayed prehistoric flora and fauna, and prehistoric flora and fauna are natural.

    EDIT: So we can pay a lot of money for those coins, we have permission. :)
     
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  19. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Unless it is one of the new man made synthetics.
     
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  20. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Seriously, I just don't get the game. I will admit that the colors are pretty but that is far as it goes. I can't make myself want a coin or be jealous of someone elses, enough to make me forget what my passion for collecting really is. I really had rather have one of every coin in a series at a common grade than a bunch of different colors. Having all in a series, at or about the same grade is quite understandable and I strive for that too, but honestly don't care what other people have that I don't unless they have a specimen of every coin that the US mint has issued, then the jealousy sets in.
     
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  21. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Everyone has different interests, and that is understandable. No one is encouraging people to collect what they don't personally care for. The debate and comments surround the culture of fear that is created against toned coins. Many in the anti-toning crowd claim that it can be duplicated exactly, and I don't think that it is unreasonable that myself, Lehigh, and others are asking to see the proof. I want to see someone make me a convincing monster bag toned Morgan Dollar. If they can and can film it, I'll shut up.

    On another note, just to demonstrate there are differences of opinion, for many collectors (myself included), toning adds to the eye appeal. To us collecting is as much about buying eye appealing coins with a story than it is about filing holes in an album. And part of that story is the toning. A truly original piece is pure and is a work of art in itself, having been unmolested through the ages. While most older blast white coins have certainly been chemically treated in the past (e.g. EZest and other commercial dips), the same cannot be said of a truly original piece. Each is one of a kind. To us, a blast white set of many common date Morgan Dollars would bore us to tears as each piece looks pretty much the same. Toning, on the other hand, can add diversity and liven up a set.

    None of this is to say that one side is right and the other is wrong.
     
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