11th of the 12

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Eng, Feb 20, 2015.

  1. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Some of you are working on the 12 Caesars and some have all 12 in Gold, Silver, i don't have all 12. this is the 11th. coin, not in any order, but the 12th will be the hardest for me, which is Otho. I'm doing them in Bronze.
    i just pick up Tiberius, after a couple Months wait.

    So post any Tiberius or S-C or any of the 12 Caesars coins you have...

    Tiberius 80-81..AD.
    AE, As.
    Restoration Series by Titus.
    Obv. bare head of Tiberius left.
    Rev. large S-C
    single legend on Rev.
    26mm x 10.3g.
    Lite brown patina..

    Sellers notes and photo,much better in hand..

    This is one rare occasions where a coin was struck posthumously for an Emperor who was not other wise defied. Titus(Vespasian's Son) commissioned a board Comm. a series in 80 AD. issuing coinage of all his good predecessors- not only Emperors but family members like Drusus, Agrippa and Germanicus.
    This Series faithfully reproduced coinage struck over the past century and all are very stylistically similar to the originals. the only difference was the addition to the legion on the Rev. side, which would name Titus as Emperor and mention the restoration in some fashion.

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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great coin, John! One more to go...everybody seems to struggle with Otho, but I have a simple solution for that: just get a second mortgage. :)
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice ENG...sweet portrait!

    can you believe i only had this one until yesterday?

    [​IMG]

    just picked up another, i'll post pics later.
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    My tray.

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    Otho can be found cheap with patience. Mine was little over $200 shipped. There isnt any bronzes of him unless you go the provincial route.
     
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  6. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Ya big John, i think i'll sell one of my kids..:D
    Very nice Chris, sweet coin can't wait to see your new one..
    Mat awesome tray, i will be going provincial, then off to the silvers..:eek:
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It may just be me but the Provincials I have seen of Otho rarely look much like the portraits of him we see on the denarii. Also, the most common Provincials seem to be the billon tets. If I were trying to do a set in each metal, II'd be tempted to do the bronze as a Paduan just to make the point that Otho had no Roman bronzes. I only have one Otho - a fourree.
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    A challenge: what is the fewest coins you need to represent the 12 Caesars? Many of them are available with two on one coin. There is one coin with three.
     
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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    You gave the answer already, I assume....its the tetradrachms due to some like nero having dual portraits with augustus, claudius and so on.

    Could be wrong though.
     
  9. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Very nice pick up.

    Best regards,

    Eric
     
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  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The 12 Caesars_opt.jpg
    Tiberius 5_opt.jpg
    TIBERIUS
    AE 25mm (As)
    OBVERSE: TI CAESAR AVGVSTVS PON MAX IMP, laureate head left
    REVERSE: COL AVGVSTA EMERITA, campgate
    Struck at Emerita, Spain, 14-36 AD
    9.27g, 25mm
    RPC 42
     
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  11. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Neither Otho nor Julius Caesar issued bronze portrait coins through any mints that would be classified as "imperial" mints (i.e., listed in RIC). My dealer once sent me a provincial bronze of Otho that I decided not to add to my collection since, as Doug observes above, it bore no resemblance whatsoever to Otho's portrait on his aurei and denarii.

    That's a very interesting challenge you issue, Doug. If I recall correctly, there is one coin of Vespasian with his two sons on the reverse, so that one coin would knock off three emperors with one coin. I have an Augustus aurei with Julius Caesar on the reverse, so that knocks off another two. But I don't see how to represent all 12 Caesars with just three coins, if that's what you meant by "There is one set with three."
     
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  12. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Oops, didnt see the 1 set with three, my bad.
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I got tongue tied. There is one coin with three - the Flavian mentioned by Ides. Augustus doubled with Caesar and Tiberius as well as Caligula and Nero (if you count the provincial of Nero). There is a Claudius and Nero and at least a Provincial for Tiberius/Caligula.
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Claudius and Nero:
    Nero and Claudius.jpg
    NERO
    AR Drachm
    OBVERSE: NERO CLAVD DIVI CLAVD F CAESAR AVG GERM, laureate head of Nero right.
    REVERSE: DIVOS CLAVD AVGVST GERMANIC PATER AVG, Claudius' laureate head right
    Struck at Caesarea, Cappodocia, 63/4AD
    3.6g, 17mm
    RIC 621, RSC 3, RPC 3648

    Caligula and Augustus:
    Caligula_4.jpg
    CALIGULA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: C CAESAR AVG GERM P M TR POT, bare head right
    REVERSE: DIVVS AVG PATER PATRIAE, radiate head of Divus Augustus right
    Struck at Lugdunum, 37/8AD
    3.5g, 18mm
    RIC I 10
     
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  15. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    There's something inexplicably cool about having a 12 Caesars collection of all the same denomination, especially denarii. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

    Many times, denarii seem to be regarded as the "poor cousins" of other denominations, but taken together as a set, they achieve a sort of "presence" that any individual coin doesn't quite manage.

    Taken together, this set certainly rises to that level.
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thank you
     
  17. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    I think the theoretical answer to this challenge is eight coins, but there are multiple ways to do this, Here's one way (only one of these coins is in my collection):

    (1) Octavian (Augustus Caesar) & Julius Caesar:

    1d - Octavian & J. Caesar AV aureus - dual.jpg


    (2) Any Tiberius
    (3) Any Caligula
    (4) Claudius and Nero:

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    (5) Any Galba
    (6) Any Otho
    (7) Any Vitellius
    (8) Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian:

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  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Mmmm wow, that's a mighty fine As ya got there, my West Coast friend (grrrrrr => lookin' good)

    Ummm, I merely have these two very humble Tiberius-examples to toss-into your top-notch thread ... both of 'em are big and nasty!! (babies got back!!)


    Tiberius Emerita, Spain
    Tiberius & City Gates
    Tiberius Emerita.jpg

    Tiberius Clunia Spain
    Tiberius w Countermark & Bull w Countermark
    Tiberius Counterstamp.jpg

    Hey Eng => congrats on your sweet new pick-up ...

    Ummm, oh curious? => are there flowers blooming back-home? (not here => it was windy and minus 40 this morning) ... run stevex6, run!!!!
     
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  19. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Congrats Eng, you're getting close to that big milestone. I have 8 out of the 12 in low grade. I haven't really concentrated on getting most of them either.

    tiberius-altar-lugdunum.jpg

    Tiberius, as Caesar. 12-14 AD. AE As. Lugdunum mint, 24mm, 9.8g

    OBV: TI CAESAR AVGVST F IMPERAT VII, Laureate head right.

    REV: ROM ET AVG, Front elevation of the Altar of Lugdunum, decorated with the corona civica between laurels, nude figures, & Victories.

    REF: RIC 245 (Augustus), Sear RCV 1756, Cohen 37.

    vespasian.jpg

    Vespasian AE As. 76 AD, 26mm, 10.2g

    OBV: IMP CAESAR VESP AVG COS VII, Laureate head right.

    REV: AEQVITAS AVGVST S-C, Aequitas standing left, holding scales & scepter.

    REF: RIC 890, Cohen 4.

    caligula-vesta-hh.jpg

    Gaius Caligula AE As. 37-8 AD. 9.7g, 27mm

    OBV: C CAESAR AVG GERMANICVS PON M TR POT, Bare head left.

    REV: VESTA above, S C across field, Vesta seated left, holding patera and sceptre.

    REF: RIC 38, Cohen 27.
     
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  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice Tiberius! Gonna be great when you get that final Caesar.
     
  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Huh? => apparently a few of us have bought coins from the dude with the cool red background, eh?
     
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