Counterfeit 1913-S HALF DOLLAR!?!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Feb 19, 2023.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    One that surprised me, a rather common low value coin; shown sold by a known bad seller, the listing removed by eBay immediately on reporting. These folks realize someone is watching and start short sale listings...

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    "You judge":D...

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  3. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Wow, that one will fool plenty of novices (and a few others after a drink or so).
     
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  4. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Dates seem to always get these...

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  5. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    GOOD EYE!!

    They would have gotten a bid from me if I was searching for that type coin, before switching to "Top Tier" TPG graded coins, preferably with a "bean".

    JMHO
     
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  6. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Honestly, it could have fooled me on a glance. Thanks @Jack D. Young
     
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  7. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    I think many of us have to be honest - if the coin was put in front of me. Would I be able to tell it?
     
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  8. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    "You judge"

    Either grade, or whether its authentic or not. Buyer's interpretation ;)
     
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  9. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    The date is pretty bad, but your mantra "Attribution!" applies. The coin has the wrong type for both obverse and reverse for 1913 - the obverse is pre-1901 and the reverse "wide BUS" disappeared after 1906. Compare the inner ear (obverse) and where the eagle's beak points in relation to S (reverse). I bet @justafarmer would have picked this one out of the lineup.
     
  10. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    If it's authentic, it's under-graded!

    If it's not authentic, it's just a piece of metal that can't be graded.

    Mr. Young and eBay stated/showed their opinion, which I boldly AFFIRMED!

    Please do as poster asked, rather than posting a possible challenge to suggested authenticity/grade!

    "YOU JUDGE"
     
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  11. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Well, I agree that the date is off and the details do not fit... Buy that one at your own risk.
     
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  12. Sting 60

    Sting 60 Well-Known Member

    Well, after looking at that, I would have been stumped myself. Now, I wonder if this one is genuine, I know it isn't as in good condition, but now I wonder. Anyone like to help me out, I bought it 3 days ago. Regards. 20230219_165956.jpg 20230219_170013.jpg
     
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  13. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Genuine @Sting 60 .
    You might notice that the mint mark style matches the other genuine coin above, but the counterfeit has an earlier style S.
     
  14. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Always learn from you!
     
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  15. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Really don't know if I would have looked at the reverse that hard.
     
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  16. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Really? Since your discovery article was published that's the first thing I look for on the reverse. The counterfeit here also has the vertical banner tip of Rev 1.

    With your permission, image from your article showing the subtle changes to Rev 2 (introduced 1901, no Rev 1 found past 1905).
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  17. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Embarrassing ain't it. Just don't know if authenticating a coin such as this would even cross my mind. Now if the coin was struck during the transition period - I'd certainly look harder at the reverse. But that wouldn't provide me with any reliable information as to its authenticity.
     
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  18. Sting 60

    Sting 60 Well-Known Member

    Okay, now I get it, learned something new today. Thank you for the guidance and now I feel a little better. Super job. Regards.
     
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  19. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    The date was a giveaway to me but I collect Barbers. @KBBPLL diagnostics are terrific. Thanks to both of you guys for fighting the good fight.
     
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