pvc damage or toning?

hmm I kinda thought the pvc damage would probably lower the grade. Any opinions what it might grade as after? or is it too early to tell until after its been cleaned? And Bryant did you mean that you rub it with a q-tip while it's still under the acetone? I read here that a camel hair brush is better and I also saw a video on youtube that the guy says to roll the q-tip not to rub it was out of the acetone though, but I guess since its under the acetone it's ok to rub it? sorry for the multiple choice questions just trying to learn as much as I can here. I got quite a few coins that have pvc on it. Some are very minor others look kinda bad. I guess this is something you have to master with experience and I can only imagine how many people this has happened to before me.

 

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Thanks for those pics. If that's what an vf20 looks like than mine almost certainly isn't. Mine probably would of been an f12 or f15 if I go by your pics for a comparison. Hopefully I can get this one cleaned up good so I can still get an ok grade out of it. It is one of the rarer Canadian coins and would really like to save it.

 

I would use a brush just so you don't scratch it. Soaking it is more or less personal preference. But if I would grade it after the soak it would probably be VG-8 to VF-12. When I self grade a coin I normally nock it down one to two grades.

 

Best way I can explain how I rub a coin with a q tip is, if you have a cut and you put Neosporin on it you are scared to rub it in to hard so you lightly put it on so you can't feel it...lol best way I can describe it

 

Roger, thanks Bryant for being so helpful, hopefully I can save my coins. And I've never put Neosporin on any of my cuts before so I don't know what you mean, lol. But I do get the idea though lol again.

 

And I repeat what he said.

 

Soak as in drop the coin in acetone come back a few days later and the pvc is all gone?

 

Soak as in drop the coin in acetone for a couple minutes. If it is PVC, the acetone will remove it almost immediately. It will not abate any damage already done to the coin. Repeat a couple times with clean acetone. Some will say rinse with DI water, but it is unnecessary according to the chemists here. BTW, use pure acetone available at your local hardware/paint store. Watch out. Acetone is extremely volatile and flammable. That should not be a problem so long as you are using tablespoon fulls with reasonable care.

 

If I'm remembering what I've read here correctly, dealers still use PVC-containing flips for short-term coin protection -- for example, to get them to someone in the mail -- with the understanding that the recipient will quickly remove them and put them into a more stable container. The short-term advantage of PVC flips is that they're softer, and therefore less likely to produce visible rub or scratching on the coin during transit. So anger at the seller may be misplaced.

Do I have it right?

 

Yeah I wasn't sure if I should be angry at the seller or not but a warning would've been nice. The seller I bought from has over 20k in sales and I shudder to think how many other people have pvc all over there coins because the seller sent them in pvc flips. If a seller wants to ship coins in pvc flips I think a warning should at least come with them to prevent things like this from happening because I think it's safe to assume that not everybody knows about the danger of pvc. That's my opinion anyways.

 

I don't know I think this debate can go either way. The seller is going to say you should of taken them out, while the buyer is going to say why the heck would you send them to me in pvc flips in the first place. I'm leaning toward the seller for being in the wrong with or without a warning but being even more in the wrong for not giving a warning. I think the responsibility should always lie with the person who created the problem, never with the person who didn't fix the problem that had been created for them.