1870 IHC--what's wrong with this picture?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by KurtS, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    This recently sold on eBay--the obverse is pictured below. The date looks reasonably believable; what other details/surfaces just don't look right? The seller gave this as the explanation:

    I purchased this item in private collection. It is unusual that in many of it's details, it is different from the normal issue. It was and still is in a coin flip that I bought it in. Written on the card is "1870 Design Engraved (Study Piece)"

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  3. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I'm not much on IHC's but a possible fantasy coin or trial piece? Or possibly a private minted piece?
     
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  4. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    Well...there's no record I've seen of a legitimate IHC pattern with the heavy-handed details added to Liberty. The surfaces also lack cartwheel/mint luster one would normally expect from a mint product. So I would agree--it's a "private minted" piece, most likely modern and designed to fool collectors. It serves as a heads-up; watch for similar pieces with other dates.
     
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  5. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Is there a "C' for Copy anywhere on the reverse or rim?
     
  6. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Study piece for studying fake IHCs? Could also be a practice piece (even if fake) for re-tooling hair detail.
     
  7. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

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  8. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    Not one that we can see. That it was sold as a real "pattern" probably indicates why it was made. That the seller knows details are wrong, but has a story is somewhat suspicious too.

    Yep, the hobby is going to get awash in 19th C. fakes. This coin is a little more convincing than many on Alibaba etc because the date is reasonably believable--if other details are not.
     
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  9. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    I agree with KurtS on this one. I see a complete lack of luster that you would normally find on a high grade MS piece. Also, the reeds appear to be off-centered to me. Looking at certified examples, all of them I saw were perfectly on target. Not saying there's not a possibility that it could be an error, but that is quite rare. The coin also appears to be a little fuzzy around the Indian, along with spotty darkened surfaces. With that being said, it is not a proof, either.
    Just my two cents... I'm no expert, so I could be wrong.
    -Coinguy56
     
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  10. carboni7e

    carboni7e aka MonsterCoinz

    Everything about it is fake, the feathers being the most obvious.
     
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  11. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Lips, reeds, ear, and no hint of a cheek bone also!
     
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  12. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    It's very flat and bland looking. There isn't those small details that you would expect in a higher end IHC.
     
  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Pure bogus took me half a second looking at the hair
     
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