My first acquisition of 2015

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ancientnut, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    Very rare coin! I can't make sense of it, but my winning bid was 40% of its price realized in a September, 2013 auction!?!

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    Selinus, Sicily, AR didrachm, 24 mm, 8.37 g, 9h, c 460-440 BC. OBV: Σ-Ε-ΛΙ-NO-TI-ON; Heracles, naked, to right, raising left leg and pressing knee against Cretan bull and grasping its horn with left hand, brandishing club in right hand / REV: HYΨ-AΣ; river-god Hypsas, nude, standing left, holding branch and patera, pouring libation over altar around which a serpent twines; to right, heron walking right; above, celery leaf.
     
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  3. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    A very attractive coin that I thought about bidding on myself! Heritage left out that it was also sold by NAC in 2012: http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1275303 - the price doesn't include the buyer's premium so it ended up selling for about what you paid.

    However, I suspect part of that was due to NAC's images, which make the metal look worse than it probably is (I haven't seen it in hand).

    When your coin sold previously at Heritage, they took a nice pair of images, which probably helped produce a stronger price. The buyer at that point (the "California Collection"'s collector) was also paying somewhat strong prices across the board when buying his coins but then suddenly decided to sell them in this sale, and I was told that he was informed he may be taking a loss on them, which he was fine with.

    Overall, the nicer coins from this Heritage auction went rather cheap. I bought three quality five-figure coins that I didn't expect to win, all at around 50% of their lowest previous sale price.

    Personally, I hypothesize that this is primarily due to a fantastic offering of coins coming up at CNG tomorrow. Having two large sales back-to-back puts pressure on the market and I've seen that the earlier sale tends to lose out, which definitely seems to be the case here.

    Congratulations on a great coin, and I'm glad I decided to not go after it as I would have ended up making it more expensive for you! I think it was definitely a case of good timing and a good eye on your part!
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Beautiful coin!
     
  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    A really stand-out obverse, wonderfully busy reverse, great state of preservation, and oh and did you say rare? What an excellent coin... congrats!
     
  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    wow....what a beauty.
     
  7. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    Yes, I was surprised, too, at the weak prices many of the coins were bringing at the Heritage sale. And thanks for not bidding on this one...lol I think you're right about bidders holding back due to CNG tomorrow. I'm high bidder on 5 Triton XVIII coins, but don't expect to win any of them!
     
  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Awesome coin, and sweet deal.
     
  9. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    This thread actually began the New York acquisitions with #1, but at the time of posting, I didn't realize there would be more to follow. I also didn't realize the subsequent anguish it would entail. During the auction, I called Heritage and left a message to 1) hold the coin in NY for pickup, and 2) remove it from the !!?#?!!@?! NGC slab. When I arrived in NY, it had already been shipped to Dallas...GRRRR! When it arrived at my home, it was STILL IN THE SLAB!! Two simple instructions and neither of them followed. Obviously, I'm very disappointed in HA...
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I wasn't aware HA removed coins from slabs. If I ran a major auction house, I wouldn't do it for risk of damaging the coin. I would let the buyer be in charge of cracking it out.
     
  11. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    They will do it if requested. Please excuse the rant, but I've hated slabs since the time when US coins first appeared in these ugly little plastic prisons. I realize many collectors feel the need of reassurance that their purchases are genuine and "expertly" graded. It doesn't apply to US or world coins, but with ancient coins, in my opinion, this ruins one of the joys of ownership: handling and feeling an object that was created more than 2,000 years ago! Certification companies be damned!
     
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  12. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    :blackalien:Great coin Super:happy:
     
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  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well, I feel the same way about keeping a coin in a slab, but I have bought some encapsulated coins, as you have. In a few instances, I was happy to see the coins authenticated by NGC because I trust David Vagi and his crew, and the coins were pricey, and not being sold by a dealer that specializes in ancients. In other cases, a coin I happened to really want just happened to be in a slab, so what can you do? Buy the coin and crack it out of course.
     
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  14. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    This was my first and last encapsulated purchase. I don't know how to remove a coin from a slab, so I'm forced to ship it back to HA, thus decreasing my time spent with a new acquisition and increasing my frustration.
     
  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    In all my years collecting Ancients, I have only purchased one coin in a slab. I ended up breaking apart the slab piece by piece till I was able to remove the coin.
     
  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    With NGC slabs I've not had any problem or accidents when removing the coin from the slab.

    I put the slab on edge on a towel and use a regular hammer, striking the edge at the junction of the label and lower case. Sometimes another blow or two is required; do the same on the other side. The goal is not to blast it apart but to separate the seam. Striking in these two specific locations usually splits the seam. The last two I did this way worked quite well. I opened the slab like a book after the two blows.

    There is of course some risk of abrasion as the coin rubs against the momentarily displaced plastic. A slower alternative is to use a hacksaw.
     
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  17. Dirk D

    Dirk D Active Member

    Nice representations and a good provenance too. It probably looks even better in hand. Congrats.
     
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  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => hammer and towel ... tap-tap-tap-Tap-TAp-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP

    Oh, and absolutely fabulous coin (totally jealous of that sweet animal-coin) ... very, very cool
     
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  19. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    I just tried your hammer and towel method, very gently and holding my breath the entire time, and...IT WORKED!! Now it doesn't have to travel to Dallas and back! It can stay with me! Thanks a lot, Steve!
     
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  20. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    I should have thanked TIF, too, as she was the first to suggest the hammer and towel method!:)
     
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  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great! It's a nice feeling to free the prisoners, isn't it?
     
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