Just saw this interesting listing pop up on eBay: Ultra Rare1921 $1 Peace Dollar STRUCK FROM PROOF DIES Looks to me like an overgraded, er, ACCU-GRADED example with some heavy cleaning. Does anyone see anything unusual about it?
Well, everyone already knows the reputation of this slabber. Maybe we should position his head between those 151-proof dies and see if his brain functions improve when we strike it with 100+ tons of pressure. Chris
They don't make mention which variety it is, and I can't tell from the lame pictures. I know there are a few 1921's struck with the proof dies though...Vam-1F, 1G & 1H. Do you reckon it's miss attributed?
Scammer. "No returns on this coin as every ones opinion can differ" Wouldn't a Proof coin have a PF grade, rather than an MS grade?
In my opinion, this sounds like something Wally Breen would dream up. And for legal purposes, I offer no opinion on ACG. Isn't it the litigious TPG that sued members for criticizing its product?
The schmuck claims that it was struck from proof dies, not that it is a proof. A proof coin is struck twice, and a business strike is struck only once. So, it is conceivable that a proof die could be removed from service for striking proof coins, but still have a usable life striking business strikes. Chris
Better than many, but not all -- mine has comparable hair definition, and while I think mine has a better-than-average strike, I don't suspect that it's anything out of the ordinary. (I'm a lot more confident of the MS62 on mine than the MS62 on this eBay listing, too.)
Why, when not remotely familiar with the claimed variety, would you openly call this guy a scammer? I cannot see the coin well enough to attribute it, but as mentioned by the gentleman above, this isn't something that some ebay seller simply made up. I've picked a few (unattributed, obviously) from Heritage and TT over maybe a ten year period, and was able to resell each at a modest and reasonable premium. Perhaps you would disagree, but I don't believe this makes me a scammer any more than it does this fellow.
Oh, please... no such thing was said nor implied. This has only to do with the all-too-common finger pointing and off-the-cuff nonsense that takes place on this forum. The guy is clearly unfamiliar with such varieties, yet instead of taking a moment to familiarize himself or simply asking a question, he labeled the seller (not the coin or the holder) as a scam, and with all due respect, I find something very wrong with this kind of blind assumption. .
Also, the listing is quite candid and honest if you ask me: "Very nice looking 1921 Peace Dollar. Holder states "STRUCK FROM PROOF DIES" If indeed the coin was struck from proof dies then this coin is the jackpot. If not it's a really nice rare high relief 1921 Peace Dollar. You be the judge. No returns on this coin as every ones opinion can differ. Thanks and Good Luck"
I see the listing sold already, the price was a little high for my taste. It's a fairly obscure VAM apparently, but definitely interesting! Was trying to buy one myself a few months back :-D
Sorry, sometimes I have a hair-trigger for some of the stuff that goes on on eBay, like the recent Mason jar postings... I lumped this in with one of those kind of postings. Wouldn't a proof coin need a proof grade though? Why would it be graded MS instead of PF?
Very commendable. Even if the coin is of one of the blanket-claimed varieties, it is not a proof, nor is it claimed to be one. The varieties in question are normal business struck coins that were produced the same die/dies as were PRs. Take a few moments to check out the listings at VAMworld.
As Books stated, struck from proof dies does not make it a proof. Usually, not counting Matte proofs, the planchet is highly polished, The die is polished, etc. Neither is in this instance
