To refund or not?

Notice how all the jerks didn't enter your thread with texts like this...

 

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I'm not even sure what you are trying to say? Vegas threatened the seller (with bad feedback), I have not threatened the buyer. I will willingly offer a refund if he can show me that this coin is indeed a fake, and if the pics which he has not provided yet even resemble a coin I have sold. You seem to think no reputable seller has ever been fooled by a fake before.

 

There is absolutely no way I would give this guy a dime back. I mean if it is a buddy of yours that's one thing, a random on eBay is another. No way no how I guarantee you didn't sell him a fake coin.

 

It's crazy to think that reputable sellers have not been fooled by a fake before, especially a seller who sells in large volume. I bought a fake seated liberty quarter once, 4 months later I found out it was fake. I contacted the seller and he asked me to mail it back to him and he would refund my money. The only thing he asked me for was to please accept a check from him instead of a payment off of PayPal. Sure, I accepted the check cashed it and went on with my life. People make mistakes, after all we're only human.

 

I already know you don't bother reading the threads of others, before jumping in with your attitude. Now, I'm wondering if you even bother to read your own to the point of comprehension.

I know anyone can be fooled by a good fake. The difference is, I see reputable sellers state that an item went out for authentication and grading before they make an offer on it or try to sell it. There are sellers who write "100% guaranteed authentic" in their listings. You never see them starting a public thread to ask what they should do. They absorb the facts and if the mistake was theirs, they refund and move on. I just wrote that I prefer those dealers that take the authenticity question out of my shopping experience. They take the responsibility for their mistake, allowing for a worry free shopping experience for their customer.

 

You've now brought up what should/could be an important consideration: if thiw guy is a seller or dealer and you are sure he purchased the coin for resale, a return in no way should be as automatic as if the buyer was a collector. A dealer, ebay seller, wannabe dealer, etc, etc should know what they are doing whereas it is understandable for a collector to lean on a dealer (at least should be knowledge/experience). Perhaps there is a gray area with this being an ebay transaction, but generally speaking, if someone makes a purchase from you as a flip, they have no real right to come back on you if it does not work out in their favor; as the old saying goes... you play, you pay.

 

Not sure what the first part means... are you saying dealers should not sell a coin until getting it graded? That doesn't work if you buy online and don't have a physical storefront. Also, doesn't make much sense on low value coins like this ($200). Even if I take a $200 loss once in a blue moon, that is better than paying $30+ for every coin to get graded. The next comment I agree with. I am in the middle of absorbing the facts. I asked this community what they would do.. that does not change what I am doing. I am asking him to at least provide pictures of the coin, and proof anacs said it was fake. Is that too much to ask?

 

Eh, I slightly disagree. If he had graded this in a timely fashion and it was a fake, I would still have the pics to compare it too, and would very much refund his money no questions asked. I would also try to go to the dealer I got it from, and hope he would do the same. My only concern is the time frame here, and the lack of evidence he is showing me.

 

Do either one of those guys have a public thread somewhere, about something, asking what they should do? Kidding.

Not surprised, at this point.

Less confusion, more discretion and more competence, that's what I prefer from a seller or dealer.

I'm saying a person in the business, who knows right from wrong, knows what they should do based on the evidence that is provided and without asking what they should do. Act as you see fit, when the other party responds.

Amusing, how one large dealer sold you the fake. Then you sold the fake. Then another dealer bought the fake and did not quickly authenticate it, it took a year. I'm just saying that maybe using a dealer who has his gold coins in slabs, regardless of price point, is worth it for the average collector? Just a thought.

 

Hope to see a photo at some point. Between the three dealers involved, you'd hope one of them still had a photo. Ask the guy who sold it to you, maybe he kept a record, being the large dealer and all.

Seriously, you're asking us? Maybe he got stuck in the snow.

 

Interesting that the buyer still hasn't provided pics or reasonable proof. If it was me wanting a refund that's be the first thing I'd do. And if he could prove that it's the same coin and non authentic I'd take it back regardless of the time. If he just couldn't sell it and wanted his money back I'd say go pound sand

 

The buyer needs to bring more information to the table before anything is done. After a year, most any dealer would ask for this before giving a refund.

 

i think if he was trying to rip you off he would have done it within the ebay return time frame, he can't open a case or return it so he is at your mercy. gold is lower now than it was a year ago so he might be trying to get out from under it? maybe trying to get christmas money? have him send you the written paper from ANACS saying it is a fake at least, and pictures. it seems very fishy

 

I think that what I would do is either look at the photos (if he sends them) or the coin itself. If it is an obvious fake that I know would not have slipped past me the first time, no refund. If it looks pretty good and I might have been fooled, then refund. And keep a photo archive of everything I sell after that! (gold dollars, 3 dollars, and the Indian half and quarter eagles have been so frequently faked that there is significant risk in buying them raw in any case, but I'm sure you know that). Good luck!

 

I think that you are going about this problem in the right way, you are not asking too much to have the buyer send some photos of the coin, and some copy of the rejection from anacs about its authenticity.

I think most dealers after a years time would have told the buyer to take a long walk off of a short pier, the usual caveat that I have seen is that if the coin is out of the dealers original holder it is no longer returnable.

Being a collector, had I bought the coin in question and you were willing to refund the purchase with photos and some evidence from the tpg that the coin was bogus I would be singing your praises from every hill.

If I were an adult child I might be peeved that my word was not taken as gospel truth, and that I would have to go to all the trouble to take photos and send some anacs copy certification.

 

Maybe he read this thread and it changed his mind. In other words, he doesn't have a rejection emai from ANACS.