eBay return #4. Trying to steal or just ignorant?

I can't believe the buyer is still beating up the seller and calling him a liar. When is it enough?

 

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Just let sleeping dogs lie. Any of us would be upset if it had happened to us. There's zero excuse IMO to use stock photos of coins. If you're technologically savvy enough to have PP and setup your own eBay listing, you can certainly add your own image.

I'd suggest PM'ing Vic if you think that will go anywhere. This shouldn't have been bumped to 7 pages.

 

SO you don't think he's beat up the seller enough yet?

 

I don't really care what he says about the seller, the seller was in the wrong. I just hope Vic gets his money back.
I would have sent about 15 less emails though, and just opened a claim for the item not being as described.

 

I was on Vic's side at first, but it's gotten to the point where he's showing a very dark side of himself.

 

I can't disagree more. I have never been sent a totally different slab then pictured out of hundreds of coins. It is not my job before buying a coin to do a background, fingerprint and criminal history on each seller. I figured it out because after I bought it I thought it looked great and I wondered what other great coins he might have.

You can't just say I was right huh? When you buy on eBay do you as a standard practice first vet each and every other item the person is selling first prior to buying?

 

Except it was not an example of the PCGS coin that was sent to the buyer..... it was an example of a PCGS coin, but there are lots of those... is this going to be an excuse to simply put up any PCGS photo and then list whatever you want.... for example, using this PCGS coin photo


and then listing a buffalo nickel that's beat up (of course putting the correct info as to the type of coin in the description and the title) or another Kennedy half, whether 1964 or another year??????

I would say not... The photo he used no more represented his coin than this one would represent any other coin than this or represent an example of a toned silver half. But it still doesn't represent the coin offered. If it did, there would be no reason for companies to photograph any more coins than already have been, because they could just grab a stock photo and then put the title of the coin being offered, whether of the same denomination or not.

 

We can easily jump onto another one of the seller's mistakes. Looks like he had as many visible mistakes as he had listings. Do you not think such a mistake prone individual is worth exposing and informing? I'm sure he isn't all bad. A little persistence on some of his listing issues and now, when he states he has 47 years of experience, we'll know he has had a brief education in presenting clear and accurate information on his $200 - $300 listings. We're not discussing peanut prices here. This is serious money, but, the auction listings are not being treated as seriously as they should be. Ebay frequently uses the term community, how do you propose people help police this community? I think they do exactly what Vegas Vic did.

Honestly, I'm really surprised the seller does not practice more clarity, transparency and accuracy with 47 years in the business.

 

Did I forget to mention he threatened to sue me if I didn't change my feedback?

 

Does he know that you are calling him a thief too?

 

Just let it go dude

 

If you go back and read my posts you will see I have been careful not to declare that. I have said that either he made a mistake or it was intentional. I have given my opinions on how many errors would have to be made all at once for it to be a mistake. I have commented on how likely it would be for a dealer with 47 years of experience to make this mistake. But I have never called him a thief. His statements appear to make contradictions. Others have given opinions. But I have not said he was anything. I have said what my opinions are. And he does have a friend on this site telling him everything so I am also aware of that as well.

Again the popular sport on cointalk of putting words into someone else's mouth and then discussing those never said words is not a pleasant game for me to play.

 

You made the title of your thread a question whether the seller is a thief. Then you spent 3 days making your case that he is.

 

There is a question. Was this a mistake or was it intentional. Then I give my interpretation of the evidence. I never draw a conclusion. I leave it to you.

 

It astounds me that some of you are giving Vegas Vic a hard time. This seller was 100% wrong, but you simply want to pile on Vic because you don't like his reaction to the situation. Or is it simply because you don't like his presence on Cointalk, at this point I don't know.

 

It amazes me why/how people excuse misrepresentation as someone else's fault.

 

Not true.

I've purchased many items which turned out to be "stock photo's" and the sellers happily accepted the return.

After so many, I started "researching" the sellers other offerings and if s/he was using stock photo's, I simply ignore the listings.

Easy Peasy!

I think the situation required just a smidge more eBay experience before jumping in with a $295 Buy It Now............

 

Stock Photo's are enabled by Ebay and many folks do not have camera's nor the capability to take/upload or manage photo's.

Look at the number of folks on this very forum who cannot post photo's and always ask on what to do.

Try to not let personal experience be the baseline for judging other people. Especially on a medium as large as eBay which has done everything in its power to enable even the simplest of minded people to list items for sale. The PCGS Catalog is abused as much as it is used.

Even today, I still get D/D RPM Listings for coins where the seller forgot to actually change that catalog Feature and his Jefferson Nickel will show up in a Kennedy FS-503 RPM Search.

And........its not some much "excusing misrepresentation" as much as it is "understanding that people often make mistakes and simply do not know".

 

Oh poopy.

And yes, I vet those that I consider buying from. Each and Every one of them. vIf I see or suspect stock images, I just move on.

And yes, it's your job to utilize the tools which eBay provides you. Whether its feedback or past auction history, you need to do the research on big ticket buys BEFORE you hit the BIN Button.

 

Hmm, here are the eBay rules;

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html

Please show me where that says "Stock Photo's are enabled by Ebay"

So you think offering a 1909-S VDB and sending you a washer is excusable. Not only that, but he was given the opportunity to back out of the "deal" without consequences and the seller chose to continue. Somehow you think that is Vic's fault??? If I ever meet you, I have a bridge to sell you - and some land just east of Miami. I have great pictures of both.