Nickel 1997 D, Wrong Planchet?

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  1. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Thick 002.jpg Dimensions; Dia. 0.818" Tickness 0.059" and weigh 3.68 Grms.
    Difference between total flat lower area and High spots inside is 0.010" on both sides (Oberse and Reverse). Means 0.020" total between Flat lowers And High spots.
    My though is that. The planchet was the wright material but too thin. 12082014 005.jpg 12082014 003.jpg
     
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  3. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    It appears as if the coin has spent some time in the ground and suffered from corrosion.
     
  4. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Smoker with lines.JPG
    NO CORROSION. This 1997 D It's shine like other nickels. The normal Thickness of a regular Nickel is 0.073" and The normal Diameter of a regular nickel is 0.838"
    So this is smaller in Diameter and Thickness.
    The weight of a regular one is 5 Gr. but this 1997 D only has 3.68 Gr. And all those lines you see in there show the normal feeding direction of planchets to the die. (See sample).
     
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  5. Zimmy

    Zimmy Member

    Looks like an acid bath to me....letters are thinned and mushy. 100% sure it's not an error coin.
     
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  6. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    26.4% material removed that way? later I'll try with other nickel to see what happen.
    Because those lines on the Oberse and Reverse show the same path of directions. That means "movement" was involved.
     
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  7. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Yes, it could very well be from acid. Here's an example of a cent having the same done to it to make it fit a dime machine. I kept it because I still think it's cool and has its own history/intrinsic value.
     

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  8. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Remember that acid is how they bring out dates on buffalo nickels, so just because it's been dipped in acid, doesn't mean it destroys the look of the coin.
     
  9. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    The appearance after use of an acid, is like your penny. The image Quality is loosed. After work any way I'll visit a friend wish is specialist in chemistry.
    This morning I asked to two mechanicals Engineers about corrosion. And they said IT'S NOT CORROSION IN THERE.
    WHAT I THINK IS THAT. The Anealing, washing and drying process was for planchets thicker and bigger in Diameter than this one. That's why; the material was too weak when passed by the Pre-striking area. "may be".
     
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  10. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    This is what a TRUE THIN planchet would look like. I really don't understand what you mean by "normal feeding direction" lines? Your coin looks nothing like a thin planchet. I don't think it's an error but more like Post Mint Damage! 5cOBVERSE.jpg
     
  11. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    As others have said, this is an acid job.
     
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  12. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Arrows double direction..JPG
    Some coins have more remarkable planchets feeding direction lines. In most of them these are Not notorious. The lines in these Nickel are pointing exactly that direction. "On both sides, Oberse and Reverse. There's movement involved.
     
  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    So...what colonial coin die/planchet/whatever did this come from?
     
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  14. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Australian three pence.jpg thin 3.jpg
    There are two more samples of a thin planchet showing the Feeding Die Direction
     
  15. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Feeding Die Direction..... That's a new one on me...
     
  16. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Do You think some body "using his hands" put each planchet inside of the Die? We're talking about millions of planchets. A "MECHANICALL" WAY IS USED. And that movement has a "direction". related (all ways the same), with the Vertical or Horizontal position of the image Impressed.
     
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  17. jcm

    jcm Active Member

    I agree, looks like acid, which would explain the uniform removal of metal and thinning of the lettering.
    Could also have been dropped into a deburrer, probably not though.
     
  18. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    The normal reaction in the use of Acid is smooth surfaces, and molecular uniformity. The sharping of the scratches or lines disappear. In other words ACID DOESN'T MAKE SCRATCHED LINES. Acid cause scratched lines on metals disappear.
    Before I putted this post in this forum; I was worry about some members thinking in MACHINED SURFACES. Any way. Thank for all your opinion.
    The cent of Seattlite86 is the most perfect sample of Real Acid Reaction.
     
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  19. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Acid sometimes exposes the "grain" of the coin, a pattern estabished during rolling out of the coin metal strip.
     
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  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    These pictures you used as a sample are NOT thin planchets. They are SPLIT PLANCHETS! Bad example Carlos. Like Mike Diamond Said..the grain was exposed due to acid bath!
     
  21. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Sorry Mike. The lines (scratches) on this Nickel are Not showing the grain of the mat. coil. But The 60 Deg. grain (direction) the planchets arrive the Die. In some coins You can see that pattern in others nooop.
    Coin Grain, Die Grain..JPG
     
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