Complete mintage for modern commemorative coinage according to its option.

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  1. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    anyone have all the mintage for modern commemorative coinage according to its option.
    Example like 1998 olympics uncirculated two coins set. How many sold for this option?.
    Other sample like currency and coin set, chronicle coin set and so forth.
     
    anchor1112, Oct 30, 2014
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  3. McBlzr

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  4. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    This site I have it. But it is not what I want. I want every issue mintage according to its options. Like the mintage for two coins set, three coins set, six coins set, in proof and uncirculated version too. Others like currency and coin set, chronicle coin set, special event set. before the numismatic news have published it. But later they opt not to publish it. And gave only total mintage of its type. I have requested numismatic news to re-publish them. I hope they will.

    Example the latest complete mintage that I have.

    2012 army infantry
    One dollar proof - 111,232
    One dollar unc - 44,352
    Defenders of freedom proof set - 44,986

    The final mintage report to us will become
    One dollar proof -161,218
    One dollar unc - 44,352

    2013 Girl Scouts
    One dollar proof - 86,353
    One dollar unc - 31,714
    Young collector unc set - 5,747

    The mintage report to us will be
    One dollar proof - 86,353
    One dollar unc - 37,461
     
    anchor1112, Oct 31, 2014
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  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Red Book's got a section for these but they only provide you with the issue price.......no mintage.
     
    green18, Oct 31, 2014
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  6. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    before i used to have everything. cause i subscribe to numismatic news for many years. i did not keep all the numismatic news. cause i already have what i wanted. unfortunately, recently i accidentally deleted almost all my statistics. thus modern commemorative mintage were deleted too. i was able to get back the complete first spouses and 5 oz ATB mintage through searching the web.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    anchor - I understand what you are asking for, you want the final sales numbers for the various packaging options. But in reality those numbers serve little purpose other than to satisfy one's curiosity as they have no impact on current values. The only thing regarding numbers that does have an impact is total mintage number. And even that impact is often minimal.

    With modern commems the thing that typically drives prices is popularity. And that can come and go like the wind.
     
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  8. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    I partially agree and once completely agreed. However, given the current market for labels and ogp, certain packaging may carry more value to some collectors, justified or not.
     
    statequarterguy, Nov 1, 2014
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  9. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    appearantly now you don't have to have a popular coin you just have to have a popular non-grade label (ngl)
     
    Vegas Vic, Nov 1, 2014
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Exceptions do not disprove the rule.

    Yeah, but that too comes and goes like the wind.
     
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  11. howboutatrade

    howboutatrade Active Member

    And the reason to know the answer to the OP question is to judge if popularity will have a significant impact. Popular and in high mintage...some premium, but probably not much with moderns. Popular in a certain package, and in low mintage...you have a rarity (although may be temporary or not founded on the coin itself). Information is the key to making this judgement call.

    A good coin is a good coin...however, many collectors love the currently popular First Strike, Early Release, First Day of Issue labels. A coin that comes later and is in the same condition should have the same value even if the grading company did not put FS, ER, FDOI on the label. The OP is suggesting other packaging could become a popular rarity.

    If everyone breaks the new Enhanced Uncirculated coins out of the Kennedy Set, Native American C&C, or the 2013 Silver sets....being able to purchase the set, as a whole, in its original package becomes difficult. And if popularity makes the demand for the packaging worth a premium....welcome to a conditional rarity, even if just temporary.

    The question has validity especially when evaluating items where perception or popularity will drive the price more than fundamentals.
     
    howboutatrade, Dec 6, 2014
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not really. I collected mint products in original mint packaging for over 30 years. Thus I was one of those who was willing to pay a small premium for original packaging, with small being the key word. And yeah, there are other collectors like me.

    In the real world, the original packaging, or even a certain option, means next to nothing when it comes to value. Sure there are some people out there who pay ridiculous prices for some things. But those are people who don't have a clue about what they are doing. Knowledgeable people will not pay what they do. And the real world value of any item is established by knowledgeable people, not by those who don't know any better.
     
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  13. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Sincere question. When first released the hof and Kennedy gold were selling "at market" for much more then now. Do you think that the market was made by knowledgable people?
     
    Vegas Vic, Dec 6, 2014
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I kind of assume you are trying to make a play on words - as in who actually "made the market" - the sellers or the buyers ? And my comments refer only to the Kennedy as I am not familiar to what happened with the other.

    Thus the dealers who got fools, and yes I am going to say fools because what they did was after all foolish, could be said to have done a knowledgeable thing (in some people's minds anyway) because they managed to sell the coins at ridiculous prices.

    But then that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. It is merely an example of what I was pointing out, and a good example at that.

    So let me ask you a question, do you think those people who paid all that money for those coins felt very knowledgeable once the prices fell clear through the cellar ?

    If there are 10 people, or even a hundred, that buy Chinese counterfeits on ebay and pay $100, $200, $300 for a given coin - does them paying that much make those counterfeits actually worth that much ? No of course it doesn't.

    If a buyer or a hundred buyers, a thousand buyers even the number doesn't matter, pay $650 for a coin that can be purchased at any of a number of other places for $250 - does that make those coins they bought worth $650 ? Or is the real world value of those coins only $250 ?

    Of course, the real world value is $250.

    Realized auction prices, no matter where they occur (meaning what venue) if paid by idiots, fools, and or the ignorant, who do not know what they are doing, do not establish real world values.

    Knowledgeable people will only pay the real world value for a given coin. And they can be said to be knowledgeable because they know what that real world value actually is.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 7, 2014
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  15. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    I actually totally agree with you.
     
    Vegas Vic, Dec 7, 2014
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Warn me the next time Vic, I almost had to take a pill when I read that ! :D
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 7, 2014
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  17. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

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  18. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Take a pill this will shock you. Overall we agree on many points. There are only a few differences

    1. I disagree with using a grading standard not current market standard

    2. Disagree about professional behavior standards

    3. Disagree with victims blamed for fraud.

    That's about it. I'm just vocal about our disagreements. If I had no respect for you I would be more inclined to ignore you rather then engage. You have a lot of knowledge about coins and I respect that even if I have a difficult time showing that.
     
    Vegas Vic, Dec 7, 2014
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  19. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    o_OI'm tearing up over here....
     
    JPeace$, Dec 7, 2014
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    o_O OK, who the heck are ya and what have you done with the real Vic ??
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 7, 2014
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  21. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    I just wiped out my tears. And a drop just damaged my enhanced uncirculated coin.
     
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