Citric Acid in Coin Conservation

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by LostDutchman, Nov 21, 2014.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I was watching The Curse of Oak Island the other day and they took a coin that hey had found to a "treasure expert". They proceeded to show him cleaning the oxidation off the coin with citric acid. See clip below:



    This got me thinking... If this guy works for a treasure salvage company, what does he know about citric acid and coins that I don't know?? So I decided to try some experiments.

    When it comes to treasure salvaged coins and "conservation" there is a different ballpark of what is acceptable. Often these treasure coins have been exposed to prolonged periods in a saltwater environment and without harsher forms of cleaning they would eventually disintegrate.

    I had a 1907 Philippine one silver peso that had a spot of oxidation on the wing... this is most likely a result of exposure to seawater. I mixed a light solution of citric acid and dropped the coin in. You can see that the oxidation on the silver is the only thing the acid is touching and is not effecting the clean silver at all.


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    I'm doing some further experimentation I'll report here what I find.

    I DON'T RECOMMEND EXPOSING ANY OF YOUR COINS TO ACID. DON'T DO IT!
     
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  3. daveydempsey

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  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    That's unfortunate. It basically shows the treasure expert cleaning the copper coin in "mild" citric acid.
     
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  6. daveydempsey

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  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Us ancient collectors do it every so often to get rid of some of the harder copper deposits. Mostly with the silvers. Works wonders most of the time.
     
  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Speaking of chemical cleaning, anyone ever try oxalic acid?
     
  9. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It worked for me.

    BTW, I am not sure what you mean by "mild", but that bottle said 50%. And this may be why they use it;

     
  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I was wondering the same thing when I saw the show. Let me know how it turns out, sure would like to clean up some of my Katrina coins.
     
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  11. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Well-Known Member

    Because you are in the US
     
  12. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Citric acid is much weaker than so-called "mineral acids" like nitric, hydrochloric or sulfuric. 50% citric acid would be a lot less corrosive than diluted hydrochloric acid; in fact, it might well be less corrosive than vinegar, which is 5% acetic acid, itself not that strong.
     
  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Yes, I know that.
     
  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Quick chemistry course. An acid is anything that supplies a hydrogen ion in water solution. Hydrogen ions are notorious for attacking certain metals (zinc, iron, etc) and dissolvinmg them. They also attack organic matter (crud on a coin) and sometimes can attack materials causinmg corrosion to the coin. An acid is strong if it breaks 100% into hydrogen ions in solution or weak if it doesn't. Strong acids are hydrochloric, nitric, sulfuric and perchloric. Pretty much everything else is weak.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Matt if you'd like to know more about the processes used on shipwreck coins then you need to talk to Bob Evans. He's considered to be one of the world's leading experts on the subject and has led many projects. Bob is a great guy, fun to talk to and a wealth of knowledge. And generally more than happy to share that knowledge with like minded individuals.

    I haven't talked to him in some years but I think I still have contact info around here someplace. So if you'd like to get in touch with him, contact me privately.
     
  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Never on coins but it works wonders to get stains especially black iron based ones out of wood
     
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  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    To bad I don't have a bunch of real crappy crusty junk silver I could experiment with I have many products I use on furniture restoration that may work
     
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  18. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Yes I have but not on coins. Boiling quartz rocks in Oxalic can bleach the rocks nicely. Here is the biggest piece of quartz that I have boiled in oxalic:
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  19. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Maybe I'll order some and give it a tinkering with...
     
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  20. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    If you boil with oxalic, do it outside on a hot plate or grill that you intend to throw away. It dissolves stuff (like your lungs if you are not careful). I was making the point that it is used on ROCKS. It is not necessarily good for coins or humans.:)
     
  21. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I don't plan to boil it... Just dissolve in hot water and see what it does. I have a bunch of ground found brown buffalo nickels I want to see what it does.
     
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