WOW, HA images on the right- 1795 OC Draped Bust Dollar...

I sent the seller a note...

1795 Draped Bust Silver Dollar Small Eagle PCGS VF30 Off-Center Dr Bust | eBay

 

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There is no way on earth that PCGS would have called that coin genuine. I see differences in the label letters BUT what's a collector to do without both labels
side-by-side?

 

The bold font on the fake label is a red flag. Plus the holders look different.

 

I believe the one on the right is genuine. The one on the left is a fake coin in a fake slab.

 

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The guy sells buckshot too, if anyone is interested.

 

he does have a lot of slabbed coins he's selling.
And buckshot.
I wonder if the buckshot is genuine ?

 

I'd like to put some of buckshot in his tail for selling this crap.

 

Sorry, tried to double up the post...

 

Yes, the font differences of the counterfeit on the left compared to the genuine example on the right. But, the slab is decent and the barcode scans correctly on it. Fortunately the on-line cert, which of course has no image does have a past auction listed and link to the Heritage one, so images to compare to.

For anyone who has read mine or other's articles on these, the "bite marks" on the throat of the "Vampire Counterfeits" are diagnostic of the fakes; the counterfeiters have made "coins" using this design from 1795 through 1799, but the 1795 is obviously the most deceptive since it was taken from a genuine host example.

This counterfeit can be seen in my unpinned post in PCGS's CU Forum on known counterfeit PCGS holders.

The next image is of another bad example, purchased by a friend around 2011; he unfortunately got burned for $9K on it. At the time he petitioned PCGS to start adding notes to the on-line cert (like NGC now does) stating known fakes of that cert number- a suggestion that still bears merit now...





The barcode of this earlier fake does not read the cert correctly, so the counterfeiters are getting better with that...



The current listing was reported and removed.

Best, Jack.

 

I have seen examples of Vampire Hub fakes for. every date from 1795 to 1804. Another "diagnostic" that is seen on many Vampire Hub fakes is a ding on the bust above the right edge of the 1. It is visible on both fakes in this thread. Some time on fakes that have been artificially worn down the ding will be weak or gone since it is on a fairly high part of the design.

 

Someone commented on the PCGS blog that the fake looks better than the original. That might be because of the angle the photo was shot of the original. It might even be a scan which often produces less than optimal results.

The second reason is that artificial toning the Chinese use seemed to have worked better on this thing than usual. Quite often their toning looks funky which one of the markers for their disgusting products.

 

Great information, thank you.

 

I quickly checked my 1795 Off Center to make sure it doesn't have any bite marks on the neck.

I am ok.