1974 D Ike: How Would You Describe This Error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Evan8, Feb 14, 2023.

  1. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Trying to figure out if you would call this struck out of collar, broadstrike, partial collar, off center, etc.
    Also experimenting with my new ring light.

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Misaligned die strike
     
  4. Mark1971

    Mark1971 Well-Known Member

    Hard to tell for certain from your edge pics, but is the reeding not present around the entire circumference?
     
  5. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    If you look at the edge pics, there is reeding at about 9 o'clock and 2 o'clock. the rest of the edge is smooth.
     
  6. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    None of the design is lost, so it doesn't qualify as off center.

    The shift is the same amount in the same direction on both sides, so it is not a MAD.

    The coin was not constrained by the collar when struck.
     
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  7. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I would say its a Off-Center w/ partial collar, due to both sides having the same amount of horizontal shift and part of the design is missing. Top of B in Liberty.
     
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  8. Mark68

    Mark68 Well-Known Member

    Looks like a tilted partial collar.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s a MAD, nothing more.
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I thought MAD's were only on one side...
     
  11. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    A misaligned die strike on both sides in the same direction? Also how many misaligned die strikes also have a partial collar? As I said, most of the edge is smooth with only partial reeding.
     
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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s a tight line but they are called dual misaligned die strikes. For the most part it is only on one side and when it’s both sides it’s called an off center strike. I’m not an expert by any means and it’s been awhile since I’ve read up on this. Looking at the photos from the OP I do believe this is a dual MAD but ever so slightly.
     
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  13. Mark68

    Mark68 Well-Known Member

  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I may be mistaken but I’m only looking at photos.
     
  15. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    @Mark68 . Please start your own thread. It just makes things too confusing.:)
     
  16. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    If the collar die was stuck in a tilted position the next planchet could/would have slipped toward the lower side of the collar die and created a wider rim on that side of the coin as it slid outside the coining chamber, causing it to leave no ribbing on the thick edge and none on the rimless side as it moved away from the collar. I believe it was cause by a stiff/frozen tilted collar which also made it a borderline Off-Center Strike. I Note there are no lines or marks that show the planchet was pinched between the collar die and the hammer die.
    Off-Center caused by stiff/frozen collar die in a tilted position.
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @Kentucky This is what I was referring to. Again, not sure if that’s what it is but to me, it looks like it. Many people do not know about dual misaligned dies.
    Dual Misalignment Of Both Dies
    PART VI. Striking Errors:
    Die Alignment Errors:
    Dual Misalignment (of the Hammer and Anvil Dies)


    Definition: A dual or bifacial misalignment consists of a horizontal misalignment of both dies. Typically, the misaligment seen on the anvil die is small, since the die neck is confined by the collar. Most of the time the two misalignments will point in different directions.

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    This 1966 nickel shows a slight horizontal misalignment of the obverse (hammer) die toward 9:00. It also shows a slight horizontal misalignment of the reverse (anvil) die toward 3:00.

    There is one known example of a major horizontal misalignment on each face. It’s a 2000-P Virginia quarter that was struck with inverted dies (reverse die as hammer die). The reverse misalignment points toward 4:30. An equally severe obverse misalignment points toward 4:00. The two misalignments are nearly at right angles to each other.

    This coin was produced at the end of a chaotic press run that produced an abundance of major die alignment and off-center errors. These other errors consist of 1) major horizontal misalignments of the reverse die (about 10%) toward the southwest, 2) horizontal misalignments of the obverse die that range from 2% to 10% and that point south-southeast, 3) off-center strikes of about 12% that point toward 7:00 (i.e. planchet misfeed toward 1:00), and off-center strikes with a minor horizontal misalignment toward the southwest. All these errors are well-distributed within six die stages (A-F). The dual misalignment error belongs to a seventh die stage (G)

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    These photos depict the Virginia quarter just described. The two misalignments are starkly evident. Both faces show collar clash. Collar clash is much more severe on the obverse face.

    Please be aware that the appearance of a dual misalignment can be mimicked by the combination of a horizontal misalignment and a less severe off-center strike.

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    This 1999-D nickel has a major horizontal misalignment of the obverse (hammer) die of about 10% toward 10:00. It doesn’t appear that large because the lateral die shift is partly offset by an off-center strike of about 5% toward 9:00. The die shift and the direction of the planchet misfeed are nearly aligned. This coin also has a vertical misalignment (tilted die error), with the elevated pole of the hammer die located at about 10:00.
     
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