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Ok. I’m definitely not an expert. I classify myself at the first grade knowledge level, so I will gladly submit my guess for evaluation and await responsible as whether I am right or wrong.

1. I don’t think this is lamination error because there doesn’t seem to be any metal peeling or metal torn from the coin. Appears more to be a strike through some piece of debris.

2. This one is hard to tell for me. Can’t tell if the mark is raised or recessed. May just be the photo but does appear to be a die scratch.

3. These I think are bag marks.

 

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Pickin and Grinin, posted: "This seems to be a theme lately, maybe folks around here made everyone an expert and we have nothing to talk about because it has all been heard before. I would like to add that the small rectangular defect seems to have what is called unstruck luster."

I think this must be the case because there were less replies than I expected. That's a good outcome UNLESS some folks were too afraid to take a guess.

More impostantly to me, I want to thank everyone who knew the answer and did not reply!

Anthony Mazza, posted: "Lamination; Contact mark; Bag marks.


Thats what the dark marks are in the photo. Bagmarks are contact marks so we have ID'd on of the characteristics.

dimeguy, posted: "No idea, and admittedly I always read the quizzes and hardly participate for fear of appearing like an idiot, but this morning I am feeling lively and willing to try the learning process:

1: I feel this is the high point on the die and likely when the planchet was struck, metal did not flow fully through the recesses of the die, allowing for this "mark" to develop.

Good guess but which mark?

2. Deeper and more recessed edging than the other darker marks. Given as such, I am going to guess a contact mark/scratch.

All the dark marks are contack marks.

3: Random and light in depth: I'll guess bag marks.

Again, be mor specific next time.

Mainebill, posted: "I’ll make an interesting note about the first rectangular mark. See the couple evenly spaced lines across the mark. Bears consideration what caused that."

You are on the right track and have left a very good clue.

longshot, posted: "The first is interesting. Guess I will go with lamination. Seems there would be a bit of mushrooming around the edges if something had punched into it there.
The other thing might be a damaged or imperfect planchet, nope, I don't think so.

Another clue here.

BurrosCoins, posted: "Ok. I’m definitely not an expert. I classify myself at the first grade knowledge level, so I will gladly submit my guess for evaluation and await responsible as whether I am right or wrong.

1. I don’t think this is lamination error because there doesn’t seem to be any metal peeling or metal torn from the coin. Appears more to be a strike through some piece of debris.

Which Mark?

2. This one is hard to tell for me. Can’t tell if the mark is raised or recessed. May just be the photo but does appear to be a die scratch.

I wrote that I tried to hide the die scratches so they were a given. Looks like I failed but die scratch was not one of the answers.

3. These I think are bag marks.

There is no lamination in the image.
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When posting about something you see on a coin it is important to describe itby location, shape, color, etc. so others will know EXACTLY what you are seeing.

The random dark marks on the cheek are bag marks.

There are two lighter marks. One is a small rectangle. Now there were some comments made in this thread by me when I made an incorrect assumption about the knowledge of one of our members. He is one of the experts here that knew the answere and waited:.

CoinCorgi, posted: "But I'm an expert. So I can't respond until Monday! Oh my!"

I thank him for that and will ask the other experts to let @CoinCorgi have the honor he deserves (for waiting until today with the others) by revealing the correct answers for the two other "defects" in the image.

 

@Insider

Sorry. Didn’t clarify my answer. May still be wrong but hope this helps.

For your #1, I’m referring to mark circled in red. strike through some piece of debris on the die:


For your #2. I couldn’t really tell about this one. I figured you were referencing the long light colored vertical mark circled in red below.


For your #3. These are what I thought were bag marks. All the black marks all over the face, cheek, and neck.


Thanks for the review. I’m still trying to grasp all the different terminology for the errors and marks on coins.

 

The rectangle is a strike through. They were still drying planchets with sawdust when this coin was made.

One more to go and let's give @CoinCorgi a chance to explain that one. After he does, I'll post another quiz.

 

Honestly, I think the guesses are in the same order you asked


#1 Is a light-colored small rectangle.

#2 Is a light, vertical, dart-like mark.

#3 Is a large number of dark marks of various sizes and shapes.

 

ditto

 

duplicate computer error

 

@CoinCorgi viewed this discussion eight minutes ago so he is probably thinking of a way to tell us what the mark is in a way we will all be able to understand. Let's give him a little more time to tell us what the light colored "dart" on the face is.

 

CoinCorgi, posted: "But I'm an expert. So I can't respond until Monday! Oh my!

Yes, Oh my. IMO, it is doing a disservice to everyone to wait any longer for this expert to reply so...

Both the color and shape of the dart-like mark are the giveaways. Note that the struck thru and the mark are light colored with a different surface than the rest of the coin. That's because those two areas did not touch the dies when the planchet was struck. In the case of the Strike Thru, there was a particle on the planchet that kept that area "virgin." The dart-like mark is a planchet flaw. The mark was deep enough on the planchet that it was not struck out. It also has a "virgin" surface inside the depression.

 

Why don't you let @BurrosCoins write your next quiz? He illustrated a lot clearer what you're referring to than you did.

 

letitgo.....good movie.

 

Please do. I know I’ll never be right but I like your quizzes. I always have an opinion but rarely get to use my brain

 

Great Idea! I'll tell you what. When YOU and the "Ex-Pert" who claimed to know the answers (yet never posted when given an
opportunity) BOTH post your guess in the next quiz rather than crap the thread with this worthless nonsense, I'll send whomever you wish an image they can post and explain.

I'm not holding my breath.

If anyone besides @eddiespin did not comprehend the English I used to explain the vertical depression, ask now before I post another image.

 

Either do the two clowns posting in this thread.

 

I’ll be cleaning up.

 

@Insider. Please excuse any terminology / process misuse but I have a question about the planchet flaw. Since this is considered a planchet flaw, is this error considered produced at the time of the milling process of the planchet? I.E., a flaw caused by some foreign object being rolled in during the milling process of the planchet which caused a depression. Which is then just passed on during the pressing with the die because the die couldn’t reach to the bottom of the depression. If not, how would this type of planchet flaw be produced and at what part of the minting process?

 

Ok

 

@Insider. P.S. Thanks for the quiz. It has got me reading more on errors.