UNC coin from mint set - what kind of issue is this?

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Taxidermist, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    I got an official Israel mint set from 1986, there is a strange issue going on with one of the coins. I`d like to know what exactly is it (type of error). There is also a nice die crack, possibly a hint to the condition of the die? The luster breaks and fields issues are clearly visible. The coin is MS, did not leave the plastic set.

    Please check out the photos, they can be zoomed in.

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  3. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Not ideas at all?

    Was it a round issue before the strike? Or die deterioration?
     
  4. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I really could not see it that well, maybe a close up?
     
  5. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    How about now? Different light angles and reflections to show the issue. Both fields and devices are affected. All other coins are perfectly smooth. This is a coin that resides inside a set and was never touched or removed from it. So if not PMD, then what?

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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Maybe this should have been posted in the Error Coin section? I don't know what is going on with it, but those guys are pretty sharp. Maybe they'll see it and show up.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A couple questions first, the 2 pics you posted of a group of 3 coins, are there 3 different coins in those pics, or is it 3 different pics of the same coin ? Based on what I see it kinda looks like 3 different coins.

    As to the issues, it looks like some die polishing marks, some scratches, die wear, and defective planchets.

    For those wanting a closer look use these links, then click on the pic once it opens

    https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/1986halfnis2-jpg.360396/

    https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/1986halfnis-jpg.360395/
     
  8. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Same coin.

    So you`re saying both planchet defect AND die wear/polishing? How would this affect this specific coin price? More desirable due to error rarity?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Neither planchet defects nor die polish lines are really considered to be errors. Varieties yes, errors no.

    Now given what the coin is, and what I would expect to be a very thinly traded market for that coin, I seriously doubt there would be any premium at all even among variety collectors. And since the coin is what it is, I'd be surprised if there were 10 variety collectors of those coins in the entire world.

    In fact I would expect the opposite, a substantial decrease in value because it is a problem coin.
     
  10. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks, GDJMSP.
     
  11. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I haven't seen any examples of the aluminum-bronze coins like these in hand, but they have high corrosion/tarnish resistance due to the aluminum reacting with the oxygen in the air to form an aluminum oxide barrier, rather than normal bronze reacting with sulfur to form verdigiris . So maybe it is the alumina layer that has developed over time that is visible and normal?
     
  12. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Wouldn't it cause the entire coin to become like this, instead of limited area in the center and near the rim?

    I tend to think it was some severe issue with the die (which also got cracked BTW).
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I would think it would follow the same pattern another coin its size would if the other coin was only bronze, if it is small, like a lincoln wheat cent , if larger like an English penny. I find that the rim area of a coin ( usually lettering area) tends to corrode ( react ) more than the fields,so I could visualize this, but this is all conjecture on my part, as I am a weak foreign coin collector.
     
  14. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Hard to believe, since some of the other coins in this set are from same metal and were in same exact conditions all this time. Unless improper alloy mixing is involved for this planchet?

    I have no idea how to call all this mess, otherwise I could have tried to find coins with similar issue, possibly go from there.
     
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