Coin info?

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by sparty, Oct 9, 2014.

  1. sparty

    sparty New Member

    What can you tell me about this coin? Counter stamped HH Gifford
     

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  3. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Wish I could, sorry I can't find anything on HH.
     
  4. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    He was VP of Seond National Bank of Jamestown, but that was later on. It was obviously some other bank.

    Google FTW
     
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  5. Thelionwarrior

    Thelionwarrior Active Member

    Dunno but I like lions so.... I like it lol
     
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  6. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    this coin looks like a Norway design. brb. :blackalien:
     
  7. jj00

    jj00 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
  8. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    it looks like;
    Norway, 1847, KM#317, Specie Daler, weight-28.8900 g. or .8127 oz.
    metal- .875 silver , mintage-140,000
    grade/value
    VG-$60.00 F-$100.00 VF-$200.00 XF-$350.00
    not sure what your coins grade is ?
    not sure how much that counterstamp adds or distracts from the value ???
    Krause values may vary from real life market values.
    cool scarce low mintage early coin. :blackalien:
     
  9. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    not sure if this helps but I did find his name under G's in this list of counterstamped coins. link: http://www.exonumia.com/art/cmb.htm
    by H. H. Gifford had a reference #1777 I do not know what book it is from ?
     
  10. sparty

    sparty New Member

    I have found the basics on the coin now.
    Would the stamp take away from value or add?
    What might this coin grade based on photos?
    I am a rookie and any info is great.
    Any guesses on what real market value would be? Its not for sale.
     
  11. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    grade ? I would guess VF-XF. I would guess $125-150 + counterstamp value ?
    I think the counterstamp would add value because it is a well known counterstamp name. I do not know what extra value would be ? counterstamped coin collectors in here can help you out with that. I am curious where you got this coin ?

    I did find some more info on the man himself if it is the right name.
    Hiram H. Gifford died in Blair Township, Grand Traverse Co., Michigan, 12 August 1919. At the time, his occupation was that of engineer. The cause of death was listed as chronic interstitial nephritis. He was 72 years old.89 Sarah, his wife of 51 years, survived him by less than a year.
    reference link http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mdtmgug/giffo003.htm:
    almost at the bottom of that page.
     
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  12. Thelionwarrior

    Thelionwarrior Active Member

    I agree. The counterstamp would make it unique and add value not decrease it.
     
  13. sparty

    sparty New Member

    The coin is from a family member that traveled in Europe. I do not believe anyone else in US has ever handled the coin.
     
  14. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    great find that's for sure. maybe put it in an plastic airtite to protect it from getting scatched.
     
  15. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Maybe @BRandM would know something about it, or know how to find out?
     
  16. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Brunk lists a second example on an 1861-1871 type Swedish Riksdaler. It's probably the same one listed in exonumia.com that spirityoda mentioned. The "1777" is counterstamped on the coin so probably represents a date. It wouldn't be a reference number. The date could mean anything...a birth year, or something else of importance to the issuer.

    The date is confusing though sparty. Your coin is dated 1847, while the second one is no earlier than 1861. That's not a problem because it's only a 14 to 24 year difference. Not real unusual for counterstamps BTW. But the 1777 date is anywhere from 70 to 80 years earlier than the dates on the coins. It is possible that the two stamps represent two different men named H.H. Gifford. You'd be surprised how many H.H. Giffords or H. Giffords you'd come across if you did some serious research on him. The only way to tell for sure is to compare your coin to the exonumia.com example. Apparently, there's no picture of their example to compare with though.

    As far as value goes, the counterstamp alone wouldn't bring much because it's not attributed to anyone. Maybe $30 or so is my guess. Struck on a fairly rare coin such as yours though would add value but I'm not sure how much. Probably spirityoda's guess of $125 to $150 is a pretty good one. Wish I could help you more. Good luck!

    Bruce
     
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