Is it possible that the ground has given up an extreme rarity?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by PensacolaCoins, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    I wouldn't put a number on it, quite yet...

    I don't trust USPS either but you can always send it insured.

    I agree about going to a local coin shop, just don't sell it :p

    At least, not right off the bat.
     
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  3. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    That coin, even if genuine (please do not get your hopes up), would not likely be worth anywhere near six figures in that condition. This is not to say that it wouldn't still be quite valuable to the right person, but just don't get ahead of yourself.

    Also, I agree with Kirk about taking it to local shop as not all dealers are experts, particularly with something such as this.
     
  5. PensacolaCoins

    PensacolaCoins New Member

    When you say genuine, do you mean a genuine coin overall, or genuinely what we are talking about?
     
  6. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    Genuine as in not altered or counterfeit. Best thing to do would be to get it authenticated first. In that condition, slabbing wouldn't normally be an option but it's an unusual situation.
     
  7. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    To be worth any big bucks, it has to be a genuine 1853-O no motto. If it turns out to be altered or has design feature that we are having a hard time seeing, it wouldn't be worth much more than the price of silver.
     
  8. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    Details / PCGS Genuine

    They'd authenticate it at least, right?
     
  9. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    If I owned that coin, that's what I would be asking them if they would do.
     
  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Receiving authentication would be all that you could hope for with PCGS or NGC. I've never seen anybody happy to get a FR details slab, but I'd bet the OP would be thrilled.
     
  11. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Could it be possible that this is a copper electrotype that was discarded?

    I would imagine that with only 4 known that a counterfeiter might easily target this date and coin type.

    A detailed shot of the edge would be needed given the wear on the coin.
     
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  12. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I would send it in it's well worth the shot
     
  13. Trotboy

    Trotboy New Member

  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm inclined to think it's a fake. There is what looks like an obvious test cut upper left rev. There are what look like numerous test punch marks both obv and rev.

    So before you get too excited, just take it to jewelry store and get it weighed. I'm betting it will be no where near what it is supposed to be.
     
  15. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    how much are you betting :shame:
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well if I had the money - a lot ;)
     
  17. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    More than likely it is not real, but if it is, I would guess easily 6 figures. With only 4 known, condition really doesn't matter much in my opinion.
     
  18. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Odds are against it being genuine--like the Stradivarius in the attic. Definitely have it authenticated, on the 1% chance that it is genuine. However, don't expect that it will be the genuine, extreme rarity. Get it slabbed--that is the only way one will ever know.
     
  19. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    Sure condition matters. But, authentication matters first. If it's not authenticated, the only thing that will matter is if it's real silver or not and it's worth its weight in silver. Kind of like a lottery ticket here, if yours is the one in a million that is a winner, you have something worth a lot. Or, should it be 4 out of 1.3 million here? ;)
     
  20. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I obviously agree authenticity matters. I was just replying to the poster who said it would not be worth near 6 figures if real. I disagree with that.
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Compared to the genuine the date appears to be too high almost into the base of Liberty. The date style is right and the O mintmark placement is almost correct but I think it is off slightly as well. The weight would be interesting and I would think it would have a premium value even if it turns out to be a contemporary counterfeit! An unwitting circulating counterfeit of an issue that turned out to be one of the top rarities in the US series!

    And even if it was real it wouldn't be a six figure coin in that condition, but it WOULD be probably in the mid five figure range.
     
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