Dime book from a smoker

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  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    From the MSDS
    Potential Chronic Health Effects:
    Exposure limit is 750 PPM - i.e. a lot
    "Acetone is produced and disposed of in the human body through normal metabolic processes. It is normally present in blood and urine. People with diabetes produce it in larger amounts."
     
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yahoo Answers are a great deal less reliable than even Wikipedia.

    http://www.ddbst.com/en/EED/AZD/AZD Acetone;Water.php

    The Yahoo thing was right about the proportions for ethanol and water, but the acetone-water azeotrope just doesn't exist.


    @rim's cents is 100% right on this one, though. There's been a LOT of research on acetone's health effects, and none has indicated any carcinogenic activity. If you have information to the contrary, please provide links.

    I guess I shouldn't let my chemistry nit-picking derail the thread further, but I'd hate to see people avoiding acetone or mixing it with water on the basis of incomplete or inaccurate info.
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    well, the internet is a waste of time, MSDS sheets are a waste of time, o-ya, heres the real deal, straight out of the national toxicology program, you won't find on the internet, MSDS sheets, only in this book, which will take a judge to get this book too 00000.jpg
     
  5. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    heres some more info, pay close attention to the ingredients which acetone is made up off, along with all the osha laws, and potential exposure, don't worry, when the tumors start growing, and your kids have 3 eyes, and four legs, you'll know acetone was there http://books.google.com/books?id=f6HclgoIkjcC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=carcinogens acetone&source=bl&ots=3ZaMxbP2cE&sig=iX7PM1LQl2s9Q18Rm9XminjNrmk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LnsvVMz2JOnp8AGcl4CQAg&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=carcinogens acetone&f=false
     
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  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    But that says it does NOT cause cancer and it does not cause "soft tissue issues" - whatever that is. And it is the basis for the MSDS (or vice versa). BTW, OSHA approves the MSDS's.

    Oh, and acetone has no "ingredients". It is simply acetone. Just like water is water.

    And that still does not explain how it can be so dangerous and still be normally produced in the body.
     
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  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    please, pay no attention to what osha say, they mean nothing in this game, heres the link again http://books.google.com/books?id=f6HclgoIkjcC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=carcinogens acetone&source=bl&ots=3ZaMxbP2cE&sig=iX7PM1LQl2s9Q18Rm9XminjNrmk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LnsvVMz2JOnp8AGcl4CQAg&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=carcinogens acetone&f=false look under: potential exposure theses are the real doctors, not osha, they have no doctors
     
  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That is the link they copied the MSDS info from just like I said. And OSHA has MANY doctors working for them. Again, it says acetone does NOT cause cancer. Plus, they are out of date. The current exposure limit is 750 ppm and not 1000 ppm.
     
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  9. Rick Stachowski

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  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I'm so glad you post this, I was involved in making this book. they won't give me a copy, without a judge getting involved, now formaldehyde is a known carcinogen
     
  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    From this source;
    "This material is not known or reported to be carcinogenic by any reference"

    Did you read what you posted? It is all products dissolved in acetone. What does that have to do with acetone causing cancer?
     
  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    acetone has lots of trade name, and they all cause cancer
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Slow down, take a deep breath, and think about what you're trying to say.

    So far, you've posted links to documents that say acetone does not pose any cancer risk, and a link to a database search on acetone cause cancer which returns a bunch of articles on things that cause cancer and can dissolve in acetone.

    Based on the documents we and you have posted, acetone doesn't cause cancer. Not even in rats. Not even in California. Not even in California rats.

    I don't know why you're so worked up about this particular chemical, but you're not doing a very good job of supporting your point. If you can find any documents that actually support a link between acetone and cancer, I really would like to see them -- but first, please read them yourself to make sure they're actually saying what you think they're saying.
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    http://ntpsearch.niehs.nih.gov/texi...pr=ntp_web_entire_site_all&mu=Entire+NTP+Site read the second one
     
  17. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    It's a table of raw data. It doesn't even list data for a control group. What do you suppose the document suggests? It may indicate that rats exposed to acetone develop tumors, but it doesn't say they do so any more frequently than rats not exposed to acetone. It seems to indicate that acetone doesn't prevent cancer; I don't think anybody finds that surprising.

    Take a look at the third result from the same search. They gave rats up to ten percent acetone in their drinking water. All the rats lived. Search for "cancer" in the body of the paper, and this is all you'll find:

     
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  18. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    LOL!!! Too funny.
     
  19. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    I agree, but it's best not to take risks.
     
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  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Don't worry, there's cancer doctors all over the world, when your sick from acetone, just look one up, treatments will cost between, 250,000.00 dollars, all the way to a million dollars, most insurance companies have a cap on cancer, good luck
     
  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    You can't not take risks.

    You can avoid using acetone to clean coins. That's not necessarily a bad idea. It eliminates any chance of starting a fire in your coin-cleaning acetone; it also eliminates any chance that coin-cleaning acetone will cause health problems.

    For that matter, you can avoid coins entirely. Since multiple people handle them, they often carry bacteria, viruses, or toxins. You should probably put on two layers of gloves, put all your coins into a big bag, put that bag into another bag, put that one into a third bag, put the whole lot into a box, seal it up tightly, and send it to me for proper, safe disposal. After all, it's best not to take risks. ;)
     
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