Guess The Grade: 1880-O Morgan

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I agree with the 65+, but not the 66. Too many hits for a 66. I think all three are 65s, or 65+ at the best.

 

I see some slight weakness in the hair.

 

Weakness as in a weak strike? I think the strike is very strong and I see no wear.

 

Just using my old eye MS 62 is the highest grade I would grade this 1880-O Morgan .MS 65+ ?

 

My guess was ms 65 nice coin and I could see it upgrading the cheek looks very clean from the pics I've seen worse looking 66s too I'd have called it a 65

 

Blow the picture up and look at the hair. You will see some flatness. That means it's an AU-58 if given the time to be viewed carefully. Likely the graders will ignore this since they don't give the time necessary required to grading coins correctly.

 

You didn't answer her question... are you claiming strike weakness or wear?

 

80/90% 1880 Morgan dollars stuck in New Orleans are weak. That why any grade above MS 63 is rarely graded 65+ that rare.

 

For an 80-o Morgan this ones pretty well struck. There's quite a few New Orleans Morgans that got an awful strike

 

You have much to learn.

 

No! Flatness in the hair does not necessarily mean it is AU. Only if that flatness is due to wear will it grade AU. As has been stated, O mint dollars are well noted for weak strikes. Here is an MS64 with flatness on the hair and I assure you it is not something missed by the graders. And you can find many more looking at Heritage for O mints.

 

Here is what I see:

 

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It's in the strike I've seen o mint Morgan's in ms that look like an xf -45 cause their so weakly struck this ones on the upper end of their strikes is nothing like a s mint from the early 80s they nailed those ones!!

 

That isn't wear--it is typical of New Orleans strikes. It is a weakly struck coin, and that is most definitely NOT wear.

 

When coins get into near gem category there is always something holding them back from the next grade up, ie the coin has to "earn it." My guess is that there are a few hairlines in the fields that only show up at certain angles, or the luster is not that full rolling cartwheel that the TPG's demand in a gem coin, or maybe the patina is dark enough to mute the luster some. These are things that cannot be determined from photos. This fact always leads to interesting back and forth discussions on these threads but rarely does everyone reach any sort of consensus. I don't see any wear on the coin in the o.p.

 

I never thought the day I'd hear Doug say the tpg undergraded a coin!! In my opinion he's 100% right I feel it a very well struck o minted Morgan and unless there's something I'm missing a solid 65 all day long. I hope it grades 65 on a cross or resubmit and you make a lot of money on it!