bad sellers on ebay.

This is not true. There are never two owners of the same item. Period. You either have immediate payment required and it returns to an active listing if not paid after hitting the BIN option. Or you have the regular BIN option were the seller waits payment as per the normal operating procedure.

Never is there an item removed from an active listing waiting for two people to pay.

 

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On several occasions I have received a prompt from eBay stating that if I did not pay for a BIN item that that very item could be purchased by someone else.

The next time this occurs, I'll try to get a screen shot for you.

 

You guys are saying the same thing
That prompt is always there when immediate payment is required. Hitting "buy-it-now" on such an item is no different from adding it to your watch list.

 

If listings by the same seller offer a combined shipping discount but require immediate payment, you can generally put the items into your cart and then pay for them at the same time.

 

As I recall, if you set out to BIN on an auction that requires immediate payment, eBay prompts you with an intermediate screen allowing you to go buy other stuff from the same seller, and warning you that you won't get combined shipping if you buy and pay for things individually. Since I'm usually trying to pounce on BINs that are priced well below the going rate, I've never gone through this process -- I'm always in a hurry to pay before someone else does.

I did have an incident a couple of years ago, when the Immediate Payment feature was new, where I was able to make the payment, but someone else still beat me to the item. There was what computer folks call a "race condition" between eBay's logic and PayPal's logic, and it ended up letting two people pay for the same thing -- THE cardinal no-no in electronic payment processing systems (along with "delivering the item without collecting payment").

When I called eBay, first-line customer support basically said "well, ask the seller to give you a refund". (I did, of course, and the honest seller did so.) I tried to explain to eBay (and PayPal) that this was A Really Big Deal, but didn't have any luck escalating. I don't think they have a customer-service flowchart section for "customers with advanced degrees in Computer Science who want to report failures of transactional integrity". This wasn't quite at the same level as the GM ignition-switch issue that killed a dozen or more people, but when your business is transferring money, you can't let this happen, ever.

 

I don't even know how you can consider the seller bad in this instance. You were clearly a horrible buyer and maybe the seller overstepped there bounds the second time but this all revolves around you not only A not paying for your item but B not informing the seller you wouldn't be paying for it for 2 weeks or getting permission to do so first and C costing the seller money.

Would you go into a retail store and say he can you put that item aside for me I am shopping and I will get it as soon as I am done shopping. Then leave the store and 4 days later when the retail store calls you say hey do you mind holding onto that item for me for 2 weeks I can't pay right now despite the store losing money as they had other people wanting to buy it and then getting in a tizzy when they sold the item to someone else.

You acted in a reprehensible matter and now are all mad at the seller for not bending to your every whim. You cost them money, you did something without asking permission that is against normal standard protocol, you then went on the internet and blasted the seller releasing there public info and conversations and expected people to side with you.

Honestly you are a horrible buyer horrible.

 

I don't buy a coin unless I can pay for it right away. and I expect the payment within 2 days if I sell something. There is no reason to drag things out...

 

wow! No wonder the world is so full of lawyers

 

I'd like to chime in, not (only) to beat the dead horse but to share my two cents...

IMHO, online auctions should be treated the same as a physical auction. I am sure there are several differences one can use to argue, but for aspect of payment, I feel they should be the same, immediate payment.

Expecting the seller to wait for payment on good sold is like a "layaway". Buyer commits to pay within a time period, & seller retains item until payment is made. Layaway is a privilege offered by a tiny fraction of retail stores, rarely seen at specialty stores, and unheard of in the auction community.

Much like a specialty store, auctions consist of "one-off" items. The small (sometimes big) guy selling on Ebay doesn't have the luxury of being able to absorb an idle transaction. If money is not coming in, they can't purchase new stock to sell and they can't make good on their financial obligations. More or less, your request to pay in 2 weeks is more like asking for a loan. A loan to finance the interest. It quickly becomes a loss of income for the seller.

The super giant's that offer layaway, usually have hundreds of the same item in stock and they all revel that their inventory is selling even when not displayed.


Every auction I've been to required participants to register with a deposit ($250 or more). Just to bid. Upon winning an auction, payment is required immediately after the auction. Exceptions were made only if items were cars or too large for personal vehicles.

Ebay is a bit more lenient with their rules. No deposit required to bid, payment through multiple channels, and several deadline choices as per seller's listings. A definite advantage for the online community, but this privilege soon becomes the expectation and inconsiderate buyers were taking advantage of honest sellers.

NO, if you don't have the money, don't shop, don't buy, don't do anything. This privilege is reserved for the buyers that comply to the rules, the ones that can pay. If I don't have money, not only am I not shopping, BUT I AM DEFINITELY NOT BIDDING!!!!

Excellent feed back here from amazing individuals. I hope the person who started this thread (and others who might have disagreed at first) understands & accepts his part, see's how his actions impact others. Using the wisdom gained towards future interactions. Keep in mind "we are all in this together", making it a better place.

Thank you for allowing me to share.
If you disagree or find this offensive. All I can say is....Relax, it's not that serious.

 

Nice explanations. I believe the person who started this topic and the mess that preceeded it, has an ebay tea shop. Some things just don't register as wrong for certain individuals. Seems like putting two and two together and acknowledging the advice within this thread, might put an end to the dead horse beatings. So far, no remorse has been shown, just a vindictive and malicious rating for the seller.

 

WOW! He even chastised the seller for the first transaction, where he delayed payment and started this entire mess. I now understand why some people want to stay clear of ebay as sellers. This is beyond anything I'd be willing to put up with. Life is too short.

 

I think the OP ignores us knowing we're right. My 2yrs old boy behaves like that sometimes...

 

Wow! He doubled down the next day and left another negative. That is low.

 

It seems dishonest and dirty of him to leave the negative feedback on the original auction that he did not even pay for.

 

That's really sad. I'm sure the OP will be paid back for his actions. Life seems to do that.

 

Not to play devil's advocate here but in the defense of the OP, he let his emotions get the better of him. I agree with the majority opinion regarding these actions. However, that being said there is no real need for the ensuing tidal wave of criticism and scrutiny here. It only makes one as classless as the OP. Nobody is perfect, please remember that before we all continue to attack a guy who clearly thought he was in the right.

 

I agree, we're getting further and further away...

 

The seller's a class guy though. Look at his response to the neg......

 

yep, he handled it better than I probably would.

 

People make mistakes, honest ones. It sounds like his chief business is tea making and distribution, not coin dealing. We all make mistakes, and sometimes classy people take the fall needlessly, you're right. Maybe there was a severe misunderstanding or perception by the OP. Either way the seller has been well represented and as mentioned it's just whipping a dead horse now.