what is the defects called

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anyone know if their is other penny with this defect

  1. I st a die crack

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  1. omar822

    omar822 Member

    20140723_114310.jpg Is their any information on a die crack on this year penny.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I see no die crack on this coin. If you are referring to the mark at the bottom edge of the bust, that is post mint damage.
     
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  4. Treashunt

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  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    It's post mint damage. Something hit that coin while in circulation...it was not there when the coin was minted.
     
  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Even if it were part of the coin when minted, a hole like this would be a planchet defect, not a die crack. Die cracks are raised on the coin.
     
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  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Hi, Omar! Welcome to the neighborhood!

    The first thing you have to keep in mind when searching coins from circulation is that more things can happen to them during circulation (PMD) than can possibly happen to them during the minting process.

    Chris
     
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  9. omar822

    omar822 Member

    It's hard to imagine that the coin was struck just in that area and that's the only damage it has in the front
     
  10. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Hard or not, that's what happened. You can see the damage on the rim as well.
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Not at all! It doesn't take much to move the metal around. It doesn't take a sledgehammer to damage it. Take a look at the dings on the "9" and the "4". There is no damage to the surrounding fields. Would this mean it probably occurred during the minting process?

    Chris
     
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  12. omar822

    omar822 Member

    That's what I was thinking.
     
  13. omar822

    omar822 Member

    I think it's mint damage. The back looks good
     
  14. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    What makes you think it was damaged at the mint and not in circulation?
    Not that it really matters.
     
  15. omar822

    omar822 Member

    Morning the penny has no visual dents on the back side. The only thing that is noticeable is that break in the front.
     
  16. omar822

    omar822 Member

    Look at the rim just below the break
     
  17. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes sir, the rim pretty much proves it's damage. When you study how a coin is made, the fact that both the field devices and the rim are damaged in the same place really proves it didn't happen at the mint sir.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And it wouldn't matter if it did happen at the mint. Damage, whether caused at the mint, or after a coin leaves the mint - is still damage. There are a great many things that can happen to coins, at the mint, that will damage them. And that damage that occurred at the mint is absolutely no different than if it had happened in a grocery store or at a construction site. It is still damage.

    A lot of people get confused over this, but here is the issue Omar. If a coin has something happen to it, a strike-through for example, (but there are several other things as well), yes that is damage but that is acceptable damage because it happened during the striking process.

    But once a coin is ejected from the coin press the striking process is over, ended. From that point on, anything that happens to a coin, whether it happens within the mint building or after it leaves the mint building, is damage..
     
  19. omar822

    omar822 Member

    I'll send out to get tested or inspected
     
  20. omar822

    omar822 Member

    Thank you for you help.
     
  21. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Best of luck sir.
     
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