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I really don't understand your question.
If you go to the store you pay taxes on items right. You buy from the U.S. Mint and silly high priced coins on HSN and other coin sites and pay their shipping prices right.
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Why in the world would you start a thread about paying $5.25 for someone that charges for a business envelope and a stamp or two.
It's expensive these days to play on EBay.

So, to sum up my offering to your thread. NO!! I don't think it's much to pay $5.25 for someone to send your winning coin anyway they want. As long as the coins is safe, secured by the seller.

If the envelope wasn't tightly secured as it's contents, then I would consider reducing the DSR a bit. I get shipments all the time in envelopes and never had an issue.
I pay for fair prices on coins and have no issues paying reasonable shipping fees.

It takes time to start a auction, prepare shipments, drop off coin at post office, leave feedback and whatever else is involved.

Time is money. I'll bet you want fair value for your services right.

If you don't like the fees, move on and bid elsewhere. Some people want to destroy someone's rating because a few bucks. Crazy.

 

Please notice the bold and underlined sections below...

It is interesting that you say he is "trying to destroy someone's rating" yet admit that you would (at least consider) doing exactly as he asked in his initial post in regard to DSRs. Crazy.

 

And that you drive on a "parkway" yet park on your "driveway".

Crazy!

 

Not at all. Many states have different minimum wage scales for services rendered. Montana has a minimum wage of $4.00 an hour. Let's say you live in Minnesota, their Minimum wage is $5.25 an hour. Just examples. Do you think a seller works at least one hour into his/her complete sale from start to end? If you decide your wage is worth more, California your shipping charge should be $8.75. That's the minimum wage in that state for a hour of work.

Sellers time is money. This is not a hobby selling on EBay.
Sales are to be reported to IRS on your tax returns. So, why should a few buyer's decide how to be vindictive to destroy someone's part time or only business because they chose to bid on an item, agree to the price of shipping in this case $5.25. and leave low score's that will only hurt the seller. Not fair guys.

I would only consider lowering a DSR score base on late time of shipment. Weeks waiting for my item that has a recent postmark. Also, the item wasn't packed or secured with care. Unanswered communications from the seller with a prudent concern that affects my item. All factors would be weigh.

Here is EBay's guide/rules of shipping. I got this off of EBay's site.

• Remember that sellers can charge for the cost of the actual packaging materials, along with a reasonable handling fee to cover their time and direct costs associated with shipping.

Please understand, I am not saying in anyway that 19yds did this to a seller.
I am displeased this discussion doesn't factor what a seller's value was in this case. JMHO

 

So...let me ask you this then. My earning capability is in excess of $100/hr. So, based on the value of my time...should I then charge $100 for shipping? The obvious answer is no. I do understand your point...that there is more involved than simple stamp and envelope, but lets not let that get out of hand.

Plus, in this case...the coin was placed in an envelope with a stamp. There is no need to go to the post office. The seller can walk to his mail box before he drives to work...should take an extra 30 seconds.

 

You are right, 19Lyds did NOT do this to a seller.

But feel confident that if this "had" happened to 19Lyds, he would have. You see, 19Lyds doesn't care whether or not the eBay seller is turning a profit or how much the eBay seller figures that his/her time is worth.

19Lyds only cares that he would have paid for premium shipping yet received only 1st class shipping.

If I bought a coin from my next door neighbor off of eBay and was charged $5.25 Shipping and he walked it over to my house without refunding that $5.25, I'd give him a hit on his Shipping DSR since his "profits" should have been generated in the bidding process. Not the Shipping process.

If you want to imply that eBay Sellers are in "business" (not a hobby) and as such need to pay their expenses, then eBay sellers need to ACT like businesses by not padding their profit margins via cutting corners and over charging for shipping. That's the PRIMARY reason that Shipping DSR's exist and why sellers get popped for Final Value Fee's on Shipping.

When I buy a coin from a "business" and pay $7.50 for shipping, I expect the coin to arrive (at the very minimum) in a box, with appropriate padding and a professionally printed mailing label. A hand written 1st Class envelope with a Saf-T-Mailer simply won't cut it.

Of course, using your logic and justification, at what point would it be prudent to consider over charging for Shipping?

$6.25 with a 1st Class Envelope
$7.25 with a 1st Class Envelope
$8.25 with a 1st Class Envelope
$9.25 with a 1st Class Envelope

 

And if you set your shipping "and handling" fee to cover "the cost of your time", but then you get caught in a traffic jam on the way to the post office, do you:

1) Turn around and go home with the package, and send a note to your buyer explaining that you need an extra $10 to cover the unexpected cost of your "extra time"?

2) Go ahead and ship the package, but report your uncompensated "extra time" as a loss when you're figuring your taxes?

Hint: 1) no 2) no

If you feel that you're spending too much time dealing with eBay sales to make it worth your while, the proper solution is to stop selling on eBay. Or, perhaps, to raise your asking prices to cover your "expenses", rather than padding your shipping and handling.

But, as long as there are irrational bidders who don't factor in shipping costs when they're placing bids, there will be sellers who take advantage of them by padding shipping costs. It's almost enough to make me wish eBay would just enforce "free" (bundled-into-your-buy-price) shipping -- but I guess there's no way to make that work when shipping rates themselves aren't flat. I do also like the option of discounting combined shipping.

 

We all know this thread is about $4.76. After receiving the coin.

I believe the buyer considering leaving a DSR score of 2 is just plain mean and vindictive. The buyer entered a contract with "Knowing" the shipping cost of $5.25.

Now the buyer wants a do over because the item wasn't shipped they way they valued it to be.

The $100 an hour comparison is way off. I am pretty sure you don't believe in sweat shop wages. I offered an example of our countries lowest per hour wages that's all.

Seriously, if there were 7 pickles in a barrel, 1 was small 5 were the same size and 1 one super large, I am sure I know which one most of you would grab. The large one.

We have too many Right people in the world as I see it. Thus, is the issue why we are broke in our country. We can't agree on the smallest of things.

Go out tonight and pay for someone's coffee or dinner. You will learn how it feels to be a giver and not a 100% taker. I do this a lot.

Maybe that is why I feel strongly about this thread. We have choices ppl. I see a few dollars being the big deal here and the seller is not totally at fault here.

 

When one chooses to sell on ebay, shipping is part of THE JOB, sir. Any seller who believes they deserve additional compensation for doing their job should simply make this clear to potential buyers instead of underhandedly trying to pull it off of the back end while hoping no one calls them on it. We're taking about charging upwards of ten times the verifiable out-of-pocket shipping costs; do you not agree that this is a tad excessive? Since the seller chose not to disclose his shipping practices in the listing, he's only himself to blame when that DSR ding arrives.

Perhaps ebay should start a seller salary program just so that the poor schlubs who do not make enough off of their sales can still be compensated for their precious time. Surely someone such as yourself would have no problem contributing; remember, "it is expensive these days to play on ebay".

 

Why is it way off...you said yourself that "if you decide your wage is worth more"

 

Well I
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Do you not agree that this is a tad excessive?

100% "Yes" it's tad excessive.
My issue is why a 2 DSR score for knowing the shipping fees. Leaving negative feedback haunts the buyer for doing so. Now EBay has other ways for disgruntled buyers to hurt someone's livelihood. I don't like this at all.

Everything fee can be reduced. Try to contact the seller if you are unhappy.

 

Why would anyone care what they charge for shipping as long as you know before the purchase? If I wanted to buy a $100 coin it would make no difference to me if the coin was a $1 and the shipping was $99. Or the coin is $100 and the shipping is free. Doesn't matter!

 

Honestly...at least how I read this, the real "beef" is more with the method of shipping, not just the cost. If I bought this coin for $15 with free shipping and it arrived packaged as described I'd be annoyed. I think the "salt in the wounds" is paying over $5 for that shipping too.

In my eyes, this coin was purchased for roughly $16 shipped...you can break down the shipping fees however you want (I don't care that it was listed as $5.75 for shipping). The coin could be $1 with $15 shipping or $16 with free shipping...the cost was the same. The issue I would have is it was not packaged in such a way to protect the coin.

Now, based on the story the coin arrived safely...so I guess there is no big concern there. But, I would personally avoid the seller in the future due to the "risky" way he ships his products.

 

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I guess there is no big concern there. But, I would personally avoid the seller in the future due to the "risky" way he ships his products.[/QUOTE]

Now that is the best additive to this cup of JO I have read yet.
The seller took a huge chance and I know he would lose big time if the coin was damaged or lost. Time is money I need to go, until next time. LOL.

BTW. Paper or Plastic? Life is real!

 

I didn't read the entire thread, but here's my $0.02:

Yes, I would probably one star the seller on shipping fees. Yes, you knew what the fees were up front, but you were probably expecting to get the level of service you were paying for.

The thing about shipping on FeeBay is if you want to return the item, unless the seller offers to refund the shipping fee, you will not get it back. You also don't earn FeeBay Bucks on shipping expenses.

One star, for sure.

 

I don't even read auctions if I see too much shipping displayed. I consider a seller's shipping charges to be a better gauge of their integrity than their feedback.

 

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The seller should be hung and kicked off Ebay. I can't believe he would try to make $2 or $3 dollars on a coin deal. We should pray for protection from sellers like this.

 

Doug, if you think a $ 15 steak and a $ 75 steak is about the same and the difference is the ambiance, you are getting your $75 steak in the wrong place. If you are ever in NJ give me a ping and we will get some steak USDA PRIME baby, ain't nothing like it.