Is a "Details" or "Genuine" holdered coin "Graded" ?.

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Is a "Details" or "Genuine" holdered coin "Graded" ?

  1. Yes

    4 vote(s)
    21.1%

  2. No

    13 vote(s)
    68.4%

  3. It depends, please read my thoughts below.

    2 vote(s)
    10.5%
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  1. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I think gold for back teeth is still the norm, isn't it?
     
    Kentucky, May 15, 2014
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  3. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    No, not really. Most people today want teeth colored restorations no matter where they are located and most dentists want to pay the flat rate lab bills associated with all ceramic crowns (verses the flat rate for gold crowns plus a variable gold fee). That said, from a purely restorative/functional standpoint...gold is always superior and that's what I tell every patient.
     
    CamaroDMD, May 15, 2014
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  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Interesting, just had a molar crown done in gold.
     
    Kentucky, May 15, 2014
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  5. josh's coins

    josh's coins Well-Known Member

    I assume this is white gold you're using not 24k bright gold.
     
    josh's coins, May 15, 2014
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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Naw, this sucker is YELLOW, but it is a back tooth so only my very close friends will ever see it : - ) Not sure what the karatage would be, but probably not too high.
     
    Kentucky, May 15, 2014
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  7. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    They are yellow gold alloy. Classically, they are a high noble gold which means that 60% must be a noble metal (gold, palladium, and/or platinum) with at least 40% being gold.

    There are some white gold alloys used, but those are typically used on crowns that have porcelain baked on them and are much lower in gold content.
     
    CamaroDMD, May 16, 2014
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I have three gold crowns (and yes they are yellow) one ceramic, and my most recent one is a composite material.
     
    Conder101, May 16, 2014
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  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    40% silver clad? LOL
     
    micbraun, May 16, 2014
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  10. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Thanks for your feedback folks. This question was not hypothetical, nor does it relate to my offerings, as all of my coins are returnable, whether raw or graded.

    It addresses an offering from another seller, where the subject coin is identified by ANACS as whizzed with AU details, and the seller says it doesn't look whizzed, yet states that graded coins are not returnable. The seller's case for not accepting a return of the subject coin rests on the argument that ANACS graded the coin. I wanted to know what majority opinion would be . . . unfortunately, the number of respondents is too small to reach a reliable conclusion.

    By the way, all of my crowns are gold . . . they are softer, will wear in to a better bite faster than composites, and are FAR more impact resistant. Would I get a gold tooth up front? . . . Not a chance. That's the only place I'd consider a composite tooth.
     
    ToughCOINS, May 16, 2014
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Tough - even if there were a 100,000 responses, you still wouldn't have your answer. That is because your question is one that involve ethics. And any question that involves ethics is going to have the most widely varied series of responses that you can get to any question, ever.

    Everybody, has a different idea of what is right and what is wrong, depending on the situation. They always have, they always will.

    Therefore the only answer there can be for you, is for you to do what YOU think is right or wrong.
     
    GDJMSP, May 17, 2014
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Thanks Doug.

    There are no absolute answers to such questions, and I knew enough to expect a wide variety of answers, but wanted to know the direction in which the majority leaned. I'd just hoped for a larger sample size than 18 responses (at this time). Still, there is value in what responses I did receive, and for those I am grateful.

    - Mike
     
    ToughCOINS, May 17, 2014
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  13. chip

    chip Novice collector

    i voted no, I have seen plenty of sellers pricing details coins at the listed detail, that is too bad because it tells me that many buyers are confused by the terms. It might be different if the coin was net graded, perhaps a light clean on an old coin that otherwise shows au55 might be net graded xf40, but the details are not knocked down because of the problem, and like others have said, the problem can be different from coin to coin, there are cleaned coins that are not harshly cleaned, and there can be an au55 coin that should be net graded as g4 just because of the cleaning, many good sellers will note such details in their listings, and the best ones still accept returns. but unfortunately many dealers relationship with their customers is not one of ennabling the collector to build the best collection he can, more like the dealer gouging the customer the best he knows how.
     
    chip, May 17, 2014
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