6th 1913 Liberty Nickel found! Bust out your wallet.

It's astounding how many people on here continue to confuse (or assume) that someone saying there is a 0.0001% it could be real as the same as someone actually thinking it is real.

 

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Yes... they absolutely do have that right before bidding, but if they CHOSE not to do so and instead decide to enter into an agreement to purchase AS OFFERED, they've lost it and should make use the many crutches offered by ebay to protect "bumbling idiots" from themselves.

Again, if someone CHOOSES to bid without due diligence, then yes... this is exactly what I am saying. If one wants to "see it first", simply contact the seller BEFORE bidding and ask if they're okay with first submitting or even the buyer hopping on a plane to complete the transaction in person. If they're not okay with it, or if you (the buyer) is unwilling, even a "bumbling idiot" should have enough sense to walk away. This cannot be that hard to understand.

You're right... any potential buyer should be "more prudent" in their approach to such an offering, but again, making after-the-fact demands is not a display of prudence, but of leverage. There is absolutely nothing stopping any interested parties from contacting a seller while the listing is live to discuss expectations. Feel free to keep harping on about how foolish one would be to live up to their agreement and pay for the purchase, but at least have the decency to acknowledge this fact.

 

Because there isn't any .ooo1% chance. But you will never understand that. If we were playing poker, I'd say you were drawing dead - in other words, the card you need can't come, but you are unaware of it.

 

That's certainly one approach. You could ask the seller to have it graded prior to close of auction. I'm not going to say that is a bad idea. BUT... it could also backfire in two ways. If the coin turns out real, the opportunity to get it for cheap could go away. Now more people are likely to bid up the price knowing it's real (if it is real). The other issue is the seller could refuse to have it graded. If the seller does refuse to have it graded, and it was still a once in a lifetime opportunity, I would still bid on it and then hold his feet to the fire to have it graded before forking over a substantial amount of money. That doesn't make the buyer a "bad person" like you like to make it out to be. That's just going after something hard while not giving others wiggle room to beat you.

BB4C, I get the sense that you are trying to give everyone here the impression that you are for whatever is of HIGHEST MORAL GROUND. At the same time that you are bashing buyers for not paying before authentication, you are bashing this seller for having - what you call - a 100% fake coin. You can't have it both ways. This is a dog eat dog world. I'm not saying go out and be a deceitful bastard. All I'm saying is that one must do what's in their best interest without crossing the line of ethics (which are not the same for every instance). In our example here, the seller could just as easily tell the winning bidder to go to hell. The winning bidder is not holding a gun to the sellers head. I know you like to paint the picture that way, but the seller is not being held hostage. The seller still has the right of refusal. If the seller gets pissed because he has to relist the item then that's too bad. Maybe next time they will learn to be more transparent with their listing. Besides, it's not unreasonable to ask for the coin to be graded. It's not like the buyer is telling the seller to mow his lawn before he pays. That would be unreasonable.

With all this said, please keep in mind that the circumstances with this coin are different. The stakes are much higher. If a buyer were to take this approach (the ask for authenticity before paying approach) on a $200 coin, then I would agree that is being petty and stupid.

 

This isn't poker. What's your point?

 

Look up analogy in a dictionary.

 

Look up "doesn't make sense"

 

too late

 

Ok, I'm done here

 

Good riddance

 

Do you understand that bidding is not supposed to be fun and games for kiddies? When one bids they're entering into a contract, which means that, regardless of your claims, you are indeed suggesting that being a "deceitful edited" is perfectly acceptable as long as it benefits you.

Please don't insult the collective intelligence of this board by acting as if there are no consequences for refusing a buyer's demands. Fluff it any way you wish, but facts are facts, sir, and with the last post, the over all picture you've painted is one of "anything goes as long as it benefits me".

If you wish to speak of not having things both ways, at least have the decency to drop the deflective nonsense. Stating my belief that the coin is altered does not automatically equate to "bashing". Now speaking of having it both ways....

(in response to FiatFiasco's "And the biggest fact of all...you have to have the money to pay first before it is sent to you to have a real TPG verify it.")....

So which is it? Perhaps I am crazy here, but this sure looks like a contradiction to me.

As for the "HIGH MORAL GROUND", if this means living up to an agreement, then you're damn right. One of these days, perhaps when older, you may learn that regardless of this "dog eat dog world" there is something good and honorable to be said for keeping one's word. It would be interesting to see how you, with 100% but a relatively low feedback number, would react to a buyer jerking you around and doing exactly what you've suggested in the thread as being perfectly acceptable. Would you happily tell one of your winning bidders to edited and happily accept the negative that may follow, damaging your business, if only after winning they decided to hit you with easily avoidable demands? Would you be okay with risking your property on a promise to pay you "if...."? Put the shoe on the other foot then tell us if you still feel the same way, and let's, for the sake of discussion, say that you sold something bid up to $70k. Now be honest here... there is no way you would simply trust your valuable item to some unknown while hoping they make good on their word after they just lied to you.

As an example, let's say seller X used a stock photo of a very clean MS in a listing, but sent the buyer an AU business strike: would this, in your opinion, be a transparency issue? Even though we're talking vastly different values here, the point still stands.

 

Soooo, when you mentioned me, were you agreeing with me...?

 

If in regards to the natural and obvious order of bid - win - pay - receive (as opposed to bid - win - make demands - receive - pay), then yes....

 

I always said you were a smart guy!

 

The funny part is Endeavor is a smart guy. I am sure he has bought from eBay before. No seller sends an auction item until paymet is received. Why he thinks there is a magical "inspection" or "real-quick-TPG-Testing-Shipment" allowed I do not know...

 

I just knew you were going to stand up on your hill of moral value. You totally took what I said and applied it to every situation. How many times do I have to repeat myself that the request (not demand) to have a coin graded before payment comes in the unique scenario of an extremely valuable coin. Why do you keep taking this and applying it to every coin that is sold? Do you not see this? Or do you refuse to acknowledge the difference?

 

Look I am not taking sides or trying to define what was meant by whom. But do the thread a favor; post a link of an auction on eBay that the seller states inspection is "ok" before payment....I really dont think it exists. And if somehow you do find one, it is the exception, not the rule.

 

Please read my previous post to BB4C. The request for coin to be authenticated is only when the coin is of unusually high value. I don't think it is an unreasonable demand.

 

I'm sure I won't find one. That is not the norm. Neither is the sale of a million dollar coin.

 

Just want to say despite our differences, you all are great. I have learned a lot from everyone here so thanks.