Natural or Artificial toning; your opinions.

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  1. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    Here is a 1934 Light Motto quarter in Mint State condition. I pulled this coin, along with about 20-30 others out of an old Dansco album. All the coins exhibit some levels of toning. In your opinion is this coin natural or did someone artificially tone it.

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  3. carboni7e

    carboni7e aka MonsterCoinz

    It's not the typical color I'm used to seeing on washingtons, but the reverse looks legit and matches the same color as the obverse. So I say real.
     
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Natural, long time in a paper 2X2.
     
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  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would say it looks like album toned even if you didn't say so sir. Obverse colorful, reverse white until edges started toning. I have personally seen quite a few quarters tone like this, but usually they were late 50's-early 60s issues put into the book with fresh silver surfaces. A 34 this color is much more unusual. Someone must have bought it from a dealer with an original roll.

    I would say natural but the TPG might be wary due to all of the idiots ruining coins to AT tone them nowadays.
     
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  6. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I agree. It sounds like this coin toned due to the years spent in the album. Will the TPGs slab it...I couldn't tell you.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My initial gut reaction is I could either way on that one.
     
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  8. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I agree... I'm always 50/50 on the blue/purple toning pattern. So many AT coins end up looking like this.
     
  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    My first impression was QT based on the front alone, but the back looks great, and front matches color and intensity, differing only on coverage . . . I say it grades.
     
  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I'm leaning towards AT.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Flip the coin. If it is heads, then QT, if tails NT.
     
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  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The experts are on the fence with this one!

    Ya feelin' lucky BQ? Me too. Go for it.......
     
  13. Pacecar

    Pacecar Well-Known Member

    It doesn't look "right" to me, but I am not an expert.

     
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  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Classic Pacecar......classic indeed. :)
     
  15. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I'll go with natural, because I've seen something like it before. My guess is that it comes from a certain type of album.

    This cent gained blue and you can see the impression or curve of what might be the coin opening that was pressing on it from above, while the album was closed.

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    I've also seen pink and blue tones on an IH cent and it graded at NGC.
     
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  16. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Toronto, copper and silver don't usually tone the same.
     
  17. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    If the patina set in to protect the coin, well before it was placed in a blue album, how the album affects the surface of that protective patina layer, could be similar. Maybe it's just Whitman residue.
     
  18. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I will publicly state I have personally removed quarters looking just like this from albums. This was before toning was worth anything, so there was absolutely no gain to be had by having the coin toned, in fact it was a somewhat negative. The dates were 62-64, so it was assumed these coins had fresh surfaces. High humidity+old albums COULD produce such toning naturally in my experience.

    I agree, take this coin out of context, and it becomes much more suspect nowadays. But, given my own experience, I believe the coin is authentic. Those old albums, stored incorrectly, would tone coins quickly, which is what a blue toning isusually indicative of.
     
  19. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    Well, NGC no likey...UNC Details Art toning. It will get cracked and try again a second time with another group of quarters I think.
     
  20. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    That was fast.
     
  21. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    actually, I sent it in on the 3rd of March, been waiting for the grade since then.
     
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