Could someone help me grade my coin?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Zoran, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. Zoran

    Zoran New Member

    photo 1.JPG photo 2.JPG I came across this attractive 1879 Morgan Dollar. The price variations for one point is outrageous and I would like to know everyone's opinion on the grade.
    MS64: $140
    MS65: $800
    MS66: $3,400
    MS67: $40,000
    MS68: whuhhhh....
     
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  3. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    almost looks whizzed....
     
  4. Zoran

    Zoran New Member

    HELLO!

    I assure you it is not whizzed. The lighting and the photo gives it that weird white look (God knows why), but in hand it has nice cartwheel luster.
     
  5. jlogan

    jlogan Well-Known Member

    i'd say MS63 because of the bag marks
     
  6. Zoran

    Zoran New Member

    Oh, no! MS63?

    Just Kill me, then!
    Do you think my morgan is as scratched as THIS? This is a prime example of MS63.
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    Do you really think my Morgan is as scratched as THIS?
     
  7. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'd say 64+ or a 65 then

    but what do I know :)
     
  8. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    light strike on the rev. 63-64
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

  10. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's real. It looks too smooth, too modern, like a silver eagle. But it could be the light as well.
     
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  11. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    That example you posted as a MS 63 looks more like a 61 or at best a 62.
    Your particular coin looks nice but a little strange. I would need more pictures with more light on the coin to really be able to take a stab at the grade.
     
  12. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I've seen hundreds of morgan dollars and something about it makes me 50/50 on it's authenticity. The only fakes I've seen are minted on white metal planchets, but I've heard of "premium fakes" being minted on silver ones.

    With the regular fakes, the details are there, but the cast/off color metal is a dead give a way, if a regular coin silver planchet was used, I suspect it would look like this.

    The bad thing about the premium fakes is the weight is the same, but you might be able to count the reeds.
     
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  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Nope. Ain't seein' no movement of metal......
     
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  14. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Just reminded me of a 1893-S that I seen in high grade that was whizzed...
     
  15. josh's coins

    josh's coins Well-Known Member

    while not judging it's authenticity I would say this morgan dollar would grade at MS63 maybe ms64 reason being is that there are a lot more bag marks on the obverse and on the reverse there are some stains that deter from the coins eye appeal. Also I compared your coin with a few of my PCGS Ms64's and mine appear to have a few less marks on the obverse
     
  16. easj3699

    easj3699 Well-Known Member

    I also think it isn't genuine. To me it just doesn't have "the look". Perhaps morgan dude will see this and pipe in.
     
  17. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    the denticles look off. Either it is an obvious VAM or it is counterfeit.
     
  18. carboni7e

    carboni7e aka MonsterCoinz

    Definitely not genuine.
     
  19. Zoran

    Zoran New Member

    Well, let's see what PCGS has to say in the next few days! I'll let everyone know when it gets back. I don't understand why you guys say it isn't genuine - color? That's not its natural color, in hand it is as shiny as any high-grade Morgan. I wish I would've taken more pictures.

    I bought this coin in 1984 when there were a lot, and I mean a lot less counterfeits.
     
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  20. Zoran

    Zoran New Member

    I feel like I've been stabbed.

    This is probably one of my favorite coins in my collection.... It never crossed my mind to weigh it. It's not currently in my possession, instead, it's at PCGS's facility.
     
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