1993 Lincoln Cent DDO

Mike Diamond.

 

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Hmmm...did you post it somewhere else and he responded? I would really like to hear his assessment on what part of the coin is being doubled. Thanks!

 

No I email him directly. its clearly a DDO, cant be PMD and its not MD. lets hear Your assessment.

 

To be honest I do not have a full assessment, which is why I inquired about Mike Diamond's description. When I first saw it I did not immediately see it as a doubled die, because of the unusual location (have not seen doubling in that specific area before) and also the general appearance of it. I may be wrong, but being a little skeptical is just the way I think. But again, I am here to learn and that is why I asked.

 

that why I always say every error hasnt been discovered yet cause no one has
seen every cent.

 

(Technically varieties, but I'll let it slide. )That's cool. Was it given a die reference number on CONECA?

 

no I only sent Mike the pictures.

 

Tommy, you might want to post this over at LCR. If it has been confirmed by Mike, I'm sure they would want to see it. Those guys eat , sleep & breathe Lincoln varieties. This would be the only known 1993 doubled ear (maybe beard would be more accurate than ear, sorry) that I am aware of. It could be a pretty big deal.

 

I did not confirm this as a doubled die. I merely indicated that I saw what appears to be microscopic doubling on the back of Lincoln's neck. It could be a doubled die, but I'm not the most qualified person to make that determination. I have zero interest in minor doubled dies.

 

Thanks for the clarification Mike.

 

Mike You say microscopic but You can see the doubling by just looking at the Cent
It may seem like that to because of the picture. if it was microscopic I wouldn't have spotted
it.

 

Here are regular pics not the best but You can clearly see the doubling Behind Lincolns neck.

 

Here are regular photos and You can clearly see the doubling behind the neck.

 

I took another real good look at this Lincoln and it also appears He
has a doubled Eyelid but Im not to sure.

 

I posted it on LCR and Jason Cuvelier said the only explanation He has
for this 1993 cent is partial class 4 doubling.

 

The only form of hub doubling that would be isolated in the cent of the die is a class 4 (offset). In 1995 and 1996 there are a few class 5 doubled dies that show some doubling in the face, head, ear and lapel areas. But these show a pivoted spread where the motto or date is strongest and the centralized doubling is incidental and minor. The eye on the above example does not conform to class 4 or 5 and looks more like a plating issue.

I lean toward MD, I am not 100% positive from the photos. Minor isolated MD can look a lot like a doubled die sometimes. I would have to see it in person, but I still think it is most likely MD.

Here are some links of coins I shot that are largely class 5. Check out the doubling in the eye on 1996 DDO-001 at the top of this PAGE at LCR. Notice the eye versus the doubling in the date. Same is true on examples from 1995 HERE.

 

I hate to disagree with you but that definitely is not MD the doubling is too thick and
and there is no shelfing. I can send it to so You can see it in hand. cause like Mike Diamond said You can only tell but so much from a picture.

 

Jason, thanks for chiming in. I hope you don't mind me quoting you from LCR.

Tommy, you have found some really cool stuff lately so I am in no way trying to disagree with your claim here. I'm not sure what it is, so I will hold my opinion. However, you need to pass on the whole story when you get answers from these guys, not just what you want to hear.

You said Mike confirmed it was a doubled die, then he responded with, "I did not confirm this as a doubled die." You then said Jason said, "the only explanation He has for this 1993 cent is partial class 4 doubling." That is not what he said on LCR. His direct quote was, "Not a normal spot for a doubled die. Not impossible. I don't like how marginal the doubling is. It's probably localized machine doubling - with maybe a touch on the ear. I would like to see more doubling in other areas of the beard and hair that match characteristics of hub doubling I have seen that were class 4 or 5. If it somehow is hub doubling, the spread is slight and only impacts a small area and I am not sure it would get listed by everyone because of it."

These guys are well respected as an error and variety experts. Mike is one of the most, if not THE most, well respected error experts on the planet, and Jason is one of the most well respected Lincoln die variety experts on the planet also. These guys put their reputations on the line to help us out. I'm just glad they are both members here so they could defend themselves. Believe me, Tommy, I wish you the best of luck on this coin. If it turns out to be what you say, it gives me something else to search for. You just can't take snippets of what these guys say and twist it to use as "expert evidence" to back up your claim.

Again, I'm pulling for you and I hope Jason takes a look for you. Best of luck man!

 

I respect Your post. I know what Im looking at and even Jason Cuvelier is not sure what it is. I know its some type of doubling once someone looks at it in hand I will post the results. Im not posting only what I want to hear either. I sent Mike other pictures and He said it was promising. I would love to have it looked at because I have 2 real nice offers for it and I want to make sure everything is correct before I sell it.

 

Lets do a comparison: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/amida17/20130211_20120529_diagram_of_doubling.jpg

My Cent will fall in the category of DD. there is no way this can
be MD. now Im being told not all MD has shelfing, I thought shelfing
was the determining point for MD? forgive Me but now Im confused!