DenverCertifiedCoins loads their rolls - Proof

Well, I finally have proof that DenverCertifiedCoins loads their rolls. Nothing they sell is actually unsearched, and their old-time wrappers are just bought in bulk and roughed up to appear old.

I’ve bought from DCC in the past – “Unsearched BU Rolls” but I entirely expected them to be searched, as they were. I was happy with my purchases. Recently, they listed a roll as having a 1916 Matte Proof (Yes, please!). I picked up the roll for $232 (eBay listing). The cent turned out to be nothing but a cleaned, damaged business strike. After some emails, they accepted the roll back and I got a full refund.


I decided to do some investigating, and lo and behold, the “matte proof” cent that was in this old, unsearched roll had been purchased by them ONE MONTH earlier. So much for "old", "unsearched", "never been opened" rolls. Here’s the listing for that coin: 1916 BU

And here's my picture of the coin I received from DCC:




I would highly, highly recommend staying away from DenverCertifiedCoins unless you enjoy dealing with dishonest sellers. That’s it, have a fun safe weekend!

 

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I stay away from any "Unsearched" rolls on eBay but they never fail to sell.

 

Um, ok. I never knew there was one iota of doubt that these types of sellers were selling made up rolls and a BS story, but thanks for the documentation.

 

Next your tell me that DCC is not a reputable TPG and over grades coins

 

why do you even support these sellers? These unsearched roll crap listings are just terrible yet so many ebayers fall for them.....look at the seller who has the bankwrapped rolls of cc morgans........

 

I never said that I thought they were unsearched. There is no such thing as unsearched. My point was, instead of "I didn't find a key date, they must be searched!" hearsay, I actually have empirical evidence that they are scamming and documented it.

I could probably notify eBay but I doubt they'd do anything.

 

You should contact ebay and I would also call the police in the area where this seller lives. It is such an obvious fraud that I can't feel sorry for anyone who falls for it. But it still is fraud and the seller should be in jail.

It also baffles me that you were happy with your previous purchases.

If you had saved the $232 you would be almost half way there to an authenticated proof from the same era like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1913-Lincol...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

It was just the 1916 I wanted. Hard to come by. Even cleaned or damaged, it would have been a good deal.

 

You don't say...

While glad that you were refunded and liked your past purchases from them, you should have seen this one from a mile away.

One reasonably cannot walk through a dog park and get upset when they step in it.

 

I made money from dcc. They sold me a counterfeit, then reimbursed me partial ($300). Next they told dcc to give me a full refund. They dragged their feet so I opened a snap case and I got a full refund so I actually made $300 accidentally. I guess dcc doesn't get it right every time

 

And that makes you better than them how?

 

Please do or at least try. I would love to see these folks shutdown and banned from eBay.

Use this link to provide your evidence:

http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...+Listing+Policies+for+Sellers+>+Selling+Coins+

 

i don't believe there is any such thing anymore. unless you have proof it is from a hoard in the early 1900's then it has been searched at some point. plain and simple. they do not exist.

 

But, but, but, it was found in a grandfather clock...

 

The roll I bought was a 1909s Lincoln on one end an a reverse s ihc unc. After the s ihc came back counterfeit I looked through Denver's feedback and in the past he sold the same exact type of roll. I'm pretty sure the odds of getting a 1909 s Lincoln facing out and a s mint ihc on the other if both rolls are unsearched are zero. And to koin jester I feel no remorse if someone tries to rip me off and ends up taking a loss. I went into the deal honestly and the guy is clearly trying to commit fraud in my opinion. If he ends up being screwed good maybe it will deter the guy from trying to rip someone else off. These guys need to lose money. I don't need to be better then him. But I lost more time dealing with this problem then my time is worth per hour. He was stealing not only money but also time. Given the time I spent cleaning this up his extra money still did not pay my fair market value. I feel like sending him an invoice for the rest of the time.

 

I filed a lengthy complaint through your link this morning. I'll bump if I hear anything back.

 

Loved reading your proof story!! Wish all eBay er's could read it! Thanks for confirming what I always suspected!!!

 

Loved reading your proof story!! Wish all eBay er's could read it! Thanks for confirming what I always suspected!!!

 

I hate to admit that I have fallen into the same trap as a lot of you but I wonder if it is human nature to throw away common cents when bidding on these so called unsearched rolls. I recently purchased a roll with two "mint" state S mint tails indian cents. Now common sense should have told me that having S mint reverse IH on both ends of a randomly made roll is greater than winning the lottery. Of course, hoping for a miracle instead of using a little common sense I bid and won the auction. After I won the auction it hit me that "what was I thinking" and dreaded what I would find when I got the roll. Sure enough, one of the end coins was definitely a fake 1908-S. The other one is most likely real but I am sending it for certification just to be sure. The seller apologized and sent me a refund for half of what I paid. My best estimate is that if the other 1908-S turns out to be genuine AND not cleaned then I probably broke even. I think some of these sellers get away with using the term "unsearched" because they pay someone to put together coin rolls for them. Since they didn't actually put the rolls together they can claim unsearched and probably legally get away with it. Some of these sellers go my a number of different names and it is easy to figure out which ones they are. I had a seller from one auction I didn't win send me a message the next day offering me the 3 rolls I didn't win for my final bids. Of course this tells me that they used a phony account to bid against me to get the price as high as they could then sell them to me later. I enjoy going through coin rolls but if there are any legit sellers out there I'd like to know about them. I believe some dealers with a lot of low end junk coins figure they can get rid of them by seeding the roll ends with better, semi-key or high grade coins. In most cases a buyer will bid more than the end coins are worth in hopes they will hit the jackpot inside.

 

There's no true unsearched rolls on certain sites. Someone at some time has looked through the rolls. Not to say that some truly unsearched rolls don't exist out there but those are probably exceedingly rare on aforementioned sites. I have no idea how people fall over and over for the 'found in old house' 'grandpas secret stash' 'abandoned property hoard' type BS but apparently people do over and over and over or these types of things would disappear from being sold. It's beyond easy to set up multiple accounts and generate fake feedback or there is even avenues to outright buy feedback on certain sites stating whatever you want it too very cheaply.