Opinions on the grade of this Seated Quarter

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by treylxapi47, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Pretty straightforward. Just looking for opinions on this coin.

    Not my photos either but they are decent.

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  3. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm not an expert on seated coinage...so I'm not going to try and grade it. But, I don't see wear nor do I see a lot of dings. I do see some marks on the obverse fields that do concern me a tad...MIGHT be an old cleaning under the toning. They may also be bag marks...hard to tell in the photo.

    But, it's a lovely coin IMHO.
     
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  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It looks MS. MS6...3?
     
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  5. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I am agreeing MS-61-63+ :)
    One very nice 1853,I see a bit shine but could just be lighting or photo feedback from a holder .
    I am Not an Expert just have mostly Seated half dime thru dollars in my collection ..
    :)
     
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  6. jmon

    jmon Numismatist In Training

    This is a tough one for me. I want to say AU58 as it looks like light wear on high points.
     
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  7. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I'd prefer more than one set of photos, but going on those provided, the coin appears to be Ch AU.
     
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  8. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Au 55-58 I'm saying more likely 58 without seeing in hand is a beauty with great color
     
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  9. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I wish
     
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  10. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Everyone was pretty spot on with this one. It was given an AU-58 which is Choice AU and commonly confused with MS-61s.
     
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  11. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Actually, an AU58 is more easily confused with a higher grade MS coin such as MS65 rather than MS61. Low MS coins (60, 61) tend to have a lot of bag marks but not wear while AU58s tend to be very clean but have just a touch of wear.
     
  12. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    Nice my arrows and rays quarter is my favorite in my type set. Of course mine is VF.
     
  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I'd rather have a au 55-58 with a touch of wear on the high points usually then a baggy dinged up ms 60-62 there much more appealing visuAl and less money no more so then in 19th c gold they got bag handled a lot if they weren't in circulation I'd much rather have a light circulated au-55 then a beat up ms 61
     
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  14. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I completely agree.
     
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  15. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    True.

    However there is one other possibility and that is a lightly cleaned MS coin that gets labeled as a 58. They say there is no way to determine whether it is actual 'wear' or cleaning sometimes but I disagree. I see easily defined cleaned coins get slabbed as a 58 as a way to slap it down but still keep the coin graded.

    That's where my mind went for some reason, not the low wear clean looking coin 58.
     
  16. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    If my example is confusing think of it as relative to an XF 45. Almost in the uncirculated category and usually due to excessive 'wear' but still a nice coin. For some reason I see few 'true' XF 45 coins (as legitimately worn that way with original surfaces) and most 45s I see seem to be lightly cleaned AU coins.
     
  17. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    I was thinking around AU50 because of lack of luster, but luster is not usually that vibrant on those.
     
  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Plenty of luster there and great toning juts a touch of a rub on the high points I've seen similar slabbed ms 63 but to me their still sliders this I feel is a solid choice au and a beautiful looking coin
     
  19. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    Compare to a Seated half I sold:

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    IMO properly graded though eye appeal was higher.
     
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  20. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I would buy that all day as a 58. Have any more?
     
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  21. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I will say one difference to note between our coins is the surface. The surface on that 1853 looks original and untampered with for lack of a better word and the coin is being judged on the nicks and minor wear.

    To me, your coin seems to have suffered more than typical natural surface wear. It looks as if the coin had been rubbed in the fields on that ICG coin whereas all other features were nice.

    Still a great coin, but to my eye (and I could be missing the mark) the ICG coin looks like a candidate of an intentionally altered surface if only slightly and that is what kept this coin out of mint state instead of by true wear.

    I don't know. Just my secondary thoughts on it after really looking at the picture.
     
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