How are coins properly dipped?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Savy, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    They never refer to it as a dipping service. They have a process which is supposedly more involved than baking soda and aluminum foil. And they don't accept or endorse your version of it either.
     
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  3. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    While they may not refer to it as a dipping service...but dipping coins is certainly one of their conservation methods. Now, as to what they dip the coins in...like I said, that's no doubt a proprietary secret. Therefore, stating "the TPG's don't accept or endorse any method" isn't accurate. We just don't know the method they endorse.
     
  4. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    I a betting man and I would take a bet that if you used the identical method and process they use, your coin could be rejected by them. If it doesn't go through their facility and their technicians, they won't give it a numeric grade, just details. They will then mark it cleaned or harshly cleaned. So no matter what you do, they will not accept it nor endorse you doing it, if we know their method or not.
     
  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    You do realize that virtually every 19th century blast white coin that is in a slab has been dipped...right? That dipping if done properly is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.
     
  6. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    @ saltysam-1, if you want proof that this is true, please read this thread.

    1892 CC on the way to PCGS Grade?
     
  7. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    We allowed dipping back then because we were not aware of the damage done to the coins. They even cleaned the coins in the mints own coin cabinet, set aside as samples and types. I'm not a novice at this nor ignorant of past practices. It's not whether it will pass if done properly, it's whether the TPG's will except it without the connotation of being cleaned. A very negative word when you are trying to sell. Once done, there is always the chance they will only give the coin a details grade regardless of how well you did it. It is not reversible.
     
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  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Dipping a coin properly is easy, determining if the coin can take the dipping without becoming 'detailed' is much much more difficult.
     
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  9. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    Ok, So after a coin is dipped, and you like the results; how is the coin properly rinsed? How do I keep trace amounts of dip residue from continuing to react with the coin? From time to time I hear about a coin with "dip residue" .
     
  10. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm not saying that dipping is a past accepted practice...I'm saying that is a currently accepted practice.
     
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  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    @saltysam-1, The thread I linked was from November 2013.
     
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  12. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    This is the question my response was aimed at and my answer still stands... Your talking about collectors and dealers, I'm speaking to the OP's question about TPG's. Perhaps our views are both right depending on the source it is aimed at.
     
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  13. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    They don't "endorse" any method. But, they do know that it is perfectly acceptable to dip coins. The reason they don't endorse it is because they want collectors to pay them to do it.
     
  14. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Although that may be the reason they do not endorse or accept it, it still remains such.
     
  15. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    You will want to rinse the coin several times with distilled water until all residue is removed. Keep the coin on edge so gravity makes the water run off. You can use a hair dryer on low to help blow it off as well. Just don't use the heat control on it. The water could evaporate and leave water spots on the coin.
     
  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    DO NOT dip any coin that you plan on keeping, that has any value, or if you contemplate submitting them to TPGs. This isn't conservation- it is experimentation by an amateur. Many coins are ruined by over dipping--this process can destroy luster permanently. If you want to experiment with coins that are valueless, go ahead. Just understand that over dipping is as harmful to a coin as mechanical cleaning. If you want bright, un-toned coins-- buy them that way.
     
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  17. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Still remains as such what? An acceptable practice if done properly?
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    He said in his original post that they are just junk silver he wants to play with. No harm in experimenting with those.
     
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  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening


    Then, it is fine. I just wanted to make sure that he and everybody else who may be fairly new here that dipping is cleaning, and over dipped coins can be damaged permanently. If one wants to play with junk, no problem there---I have tried the "baked potato" a couple of times for fun with a junk coin. Conservation by a TPG or trained conservation specialist is a difficult and fine art, and can be time consuming and expensive. That process should be reserved for valuable coins that don't have eye appeal, but only should be done by a professional. Experimentation with "beater" coins is fun. :)
     
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sam -

    Properly dipping coins has been an accepted practice in the numismatic community for decades, generations even. And yes, it is still an accepted practice today. And no, it does not matter who does the dipping, nor can anyone ever tell who did the dipping. The only thing that matters is that it is done correctly.

    The problem that often arises is, as mentioned before, that it can very difficult for even the most knowledgeable to determine if a coin could benefit from being dipped or not. That is because you often cannot see what lies under the toning that you are trying to dip away.

    Because of this dipping a coin, any coin, is always a craps shoot. You can dip the coin 100% correctly, send it in to be graded, and have it come back harshly cleaned, or altered surfaces. But it doesn't come back that way because it was dipped. It comes back that way because of what was done to the coin before the present toning covered it all up and or because the person who submitted the coin did not recognize the problem after they had dipped the coin.

    But I can dip a coin today, or you can, or anybody else can, and as long as we dip it correctly, and as long as there are no underlying and preexisting problems, we can submit that coin and the TPGs will grade and slab it every time.

    The idea that the person who dips a coin makes a difference in whether or not the TPGs will grade and slab that coin is a myth. It simply is not true. It is very similar to the idea that coins submitted by certain people will get graded higher than if you, or some other individual, had been the one who submitted the coin - that's a myth too.
     
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  21. Savy

    Savy Well-Known Member

    I would like to dip some of my 40% Kennedy Half Dollars. They are only worth melt and once dipped will still only be worth melt. I just want for my junk silver to be untoned. I am perfectly happy with my Morgans being toned and I would never dip a Morgan. I know all of the risks, but it's still good to point them out for others reading this thread. Thank you for that :)
     
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