What do you think about this ANACS Grade?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by LostDutchman, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I have been a pretty outspoken opponent of anything other then first tier graders. That being said some nice coins end up in second tier holders.

    Do you feel that this coin is accurately graded?

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  3. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    It's hard to tell if there is a luster break in the photos...but I think I see a small one with a slightly weak strike. So yes, I will say properly graded. A lovely coin too.
     
  4. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    The pictures are too grainy to be certain, but yes, I believe this is graded appropriately. I think I can see some very light rubs in the hair. The hair above the ear is not well defined, which is a little odd for a CC. That area looks more like an "O" mint coin.

    Question: There is a mark on the reverse in the right field between the wreath and the eagles wing. It's quite noticeable in your picture. How is it in hand?

    Looks like a very nice coin.
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    No, the grade is totally off. I know Morgans well enough to say with pretty fair confidence that that coin is MS. There is no wear on the high points of the obverse, no wear or rub on the eagle's feathers on the reverse--those are the two tell tale spots, The cap is nice and clear as well. Hair looks good. I would say that it is an average strike, not a weak one. There is also a small die crack on the reverse left edge. The cheek marks are contact with other coin marks, not circulation wear. So, my conclusion would be that the coin is around MS 61-62. Sorry,ANACS, but you got it wrong. Submit to NGC and you have a MS 61 in my opinion.
     
  6. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    To be completely clear I do think that after having the coin in hand that it has been lightly circulated.
     
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  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    If you think so, with the coin in hand, then the AU 58 is accurate. From the pictures it sure looks minimum MS to me, but that isn't in hand. Were you thinking lower? I don't see that--the lowest would be a 55, and that looks better than a 55 to me. Had you not said circulated in hand, I would have said MS for certain.

    It is a really beautiful key coin, and an extremely nice example, with eye appeal.
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Matt, is there something wrong with the surface texture or is that a product of the camera/scanner?

    Chris
     
  9. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Nice die crack on the reverse, too. :D I'd lean toward MS60/61... maybe the wear is weak strike due to an overworked die?
     
  10. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    When I zoom in there is wear on the hair behind the ear, I say 58.

    +1 ANACS
     
  11. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Lol, I was going to say MS66+. Shows you what I know.... :oops: Damn clean looking coin, certainly cross to PCGS at 58 and I would say definite on the Green Bean.
     
  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I don't know this coin would get a green bean for sure...but maybe it would as it is a solid AU58. It's not exceptional for its grade. AU58 is defined just as you described it...an MS65/66 coin with a touch of wear.
     
  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It may deserve a green bean, but it will not get one. They only put them on NGC and PCGS slabs.
     
  14. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    The grainyness is a product of my camera.
     
  15. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I think his point was to cross it to PCGS and then go for a green bean.
     
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  16. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Yes and no.
    I do think the grade is accurate. However, it looks so close that I wouldn't be surprised to see that in a 64 holder from either of the top two.
     
  17. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    What about the eagles breast feathers? The dark grey areas look like they may be light rub.
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    That's what caught my eye too...also MAYBE a tiny rub just above the ear.
     
  19. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I agree. I should I stated what I meant a little better. When I said "slightly weak strike" what I was really meaning to say was the strike was not full. Typically, 1889-CC coins have nice full strikes and this coin is a little less than that...it is an average strike. I would have no problem adding a coin with this strike to my collection. I don't think I properly described my context calling this "slightly weak."
     
  20. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Just slight wear above the ear that caught my eye.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Matt you can correct me if I am wrong, but from looking at the pics in the thread (not the blow ups but the size shown in the thread), pretty much the entire cheek and neck looks to have light wear to me. If I were grading the coin based on that pic I would call it a 53, at best a 55.

    Now that light wear is kind of hard to see because it does cover the whole cheek & neck - which is also why I think people are missing it. The way you notice it is by the difference at the lips, nose, under the eye, and the neck line. At those points the luster is intact but on the cheek and neck it isn't even there. Again, this is based on the pic.
     
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