Amanda's Peace Dollar Chart

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Amanda Varner, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Where is the Peace Dollar chart? I don't see it in the thread.
     
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  3. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    I tried looking for the chart the link its not there,,, am I to late??
     
  4. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    She pulled it from the site. Some guys suggested she look into publishing and selling it. She's going to be rich now. All the lonely coin collecting men on here are going to buy them all up. They may even start a new forum devoted to collecting 'Amanda charts'. They are going to sell like hot cakes. Especially the swimsuit calendar editions. Amanda, I have more ideas if you need help with marketing. ;)
     
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  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    What are YOU talking about? This is a thread about Morgan Dollars, and Amanda's chart. You are using only numbers--- every collector knows that the 1893s is one of the great American key coins and rarities. Rely on good sense, not just numbers. I own an 1893s that is RARE, and I own a Sac. Dollar that has a population of 9. By the numbers alone, the Sac. Dollar would be rare, and the key Morgan would not be( using your logic). I therefore dismiss a pure " numbers" approach. Desirability is sometimes hard to quantify.
     
  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    LMFAO!
     
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  7. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member

    I don't know about all that ... lovely, pie in the sky dreams to be sure. I do know I'm going to redo my water marks just to make sure that my name is all over it, so when people argue over how much it sucks they'll know who to send their hate mail too. ;)

    I know I keep saying I'll put it back up, and I really will. I'll try to get to it on Monday ... again, it's my side project and I've had other priorities for the last few days!


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  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Give the young lady a break guys. She's still learning.........
     
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  9. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    This is a Peace Dollar and Amanda chart thread actually, but that's not important in our discussion on the topic of rarity.

    Yes I am talking about rarity from a numbers only standpoint. That's exactly what I am talking about! I understand that some coins are more popular or harder to get (and may therefore cost more to purchase), but that is irrelevant to rarity by numbers in existence. The rarity scale mentioned earlier does not take desirability into account. It's a non-subjective measure. That's the whole point of it.

    It seems you are talking more about pricing (desirability factored in). Most of the posters agreed (including Amanda), that it would be best to stay away from being a price guide. Prices fluctuate (sometimes quickly) and she wants her chart to stand the test of time. The chart is to illustrate facts such as rarity by numbers only. As you stated, "desirability is hard to quantify".
     
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  10. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    In this case I like my coins the same way I like my steaks extremely rare
     
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  11. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    Preferences? I like my coins shaken, not stirred.
     
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  12. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Either is fine as long as their dirty not cleaned ;)
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Like I said, works for me. In other words I think it's just fine.

    As for rare, there are many well known rarity scales. The one that would apply to what you want to do would the Bowers Universal Rarity Scale -

    The Universal Rarity Scale by Q. David Bowers
    URS-0 None known
    URS-1 1 known, unique
    URS-2 2 known
    URS-3 3 or 4 known
    URS-4 5 to 8 known
    URS-5 9 to 16 known
    URS-6 17 to 32 known
    URS-7 33 to 64 known
    URS-8 65 to 125 known
    URS-9 126 to 250 known
    URS-10 251 to 500 known

    URS-11 501 to 1,000 known
    URS-12 1,001 to 2,000 known
    URS-13 2,001 to 4,000 known
    URS-14 4,001 to 8,000 known
    URS-15 8,001 to 16,000 known
    URS-16 16,001 to 32,000 known
    URS-17 32,001 to 65,000 known
    URS-18 65,001 to 125,000 known
    URS-19 125,001 to 250,000 known
    URS-20 250,001 to 500,000 known


    As you can see, there are 4 listings before you even get to one that has more than 8 known examples. So using 10 or less to define "rare" is not so far off the mark, at least in regard to the rarity scales that have been long established, and thus the reason for my comments.

    But it's your work, you do what you think best and what works for you. I am merely making suggestions as you asked for.

    Don't be so sure that it's pie in the sky dreams. As I mentioned earlier, an idea such as the one you came up with would be a huge seller, and I do mean that. And I have reasons for saying so. Number one among them is that I have been involved with coin forums for as long as coin forums have existed. And one of the most often asked questions and things that people requests is a compiled list showing key and semi- key dates for coins of all series. No such animal exist, never has existed because no one has ever done the work.

    So if you did do the work, I have absolutely no doubt that publishers would be falling all over themselves trying to give you advances so they could be the one to publish your work.

    Pie in the sky ? I see it as money in the bank ;)
     
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  14. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Looks like I'm a bit late, Doug just posted the URS.

    I like this system a lot more than any other.

    awesome.jpg
     
  15. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    A pocket reference would be so useful especially with series like Morgan's and seated coinage with a lot to know and especially condition rarities like the 1884 -s Morgan a common coin in circulated grades but nearly impossible in unc
     
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  16. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member

    In many ways I'm kind of going back to the drawing bored. I've decided first off that I don't really like the terms used, and as Doug suggested I'm going to try to stay away from "rare" except for some of the real high end stuff. I'm going to try to keep "scarce" as the top end, which means I need a few more designations in between.

    The folks here at the office are taking their slow sweet time examining the Morgan chart I put together, and I'd like a general consensus from them before moving forward enough to post it here. Again, it's a side project for everyone involved, but it's definitely in the works. :)
     
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  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    To do an overview of all the us coins into a pocket reference would be a lot of work but I do think it could be profitable and be useful to many I hope you decide to do it
     
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You could always choose to use the long established R ratings from the URS - just match up the numbers you find with the R rating. Just an idea, but one that solves your dilemma.
     
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  19. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member

    I'm trying to get something that's more like ... the common vernacular used in day to day transactions. That's a "better date coin", not an "R-4". Sure people bust out the URS once in a while, but it's hardly the sort of thing you hear in every day conversation, generally speaking!
     
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  20. I also think that people will like it more with an R rating. :D
     
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  21. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I agree. I would stay away from unpopular phrases or terms. Not saying you couldn't be the driving force behind something new, but coin collecting is an old hobby and it's very unlikely that things will change much. Why swim against the tide when you can go with the flow?
     
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