Amanda's Peace Dollar Chart

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Amanda Varner, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I think you are in a great track there, Amanda. I think the numerical percentage of " how much better" will provide some objectivity in an area where so many different opinions exist. Also, you are going to get some debate regarding the extensive amount of conditional rarities, and PL and DMPL specialty issues. The other intangible , which tends to greatly affect and impact upon Morgans ( far more as a result of their unique storage situations over the years) is valuation of toned coins. Good luck with that one... Lol.
     
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  3. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member

    Oh, don't I know it. But all one can do is try to get the majority's opinion down!
     
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  4. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Agreed. You are going to find quite a few "majority" opinions around here. Just read any of the "grade this coin" threads, and that especially applies to coins already graded by the "big two." :) :)
     
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  5. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I like how everyone is so friendly to Amanda. :D
     
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  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Duhhhhh!!! She's a very attractive woman, loves coins, and most of the posters here are male. :)
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Works for me ;)

    If you feel that you want to use rare, then first define what rare what actually is, kinda like you are talking about. But don't forget to think about the word rare having more than 1 meaning - there's rare, and there's conditionally rare. Both are valid terms, but each has distinctly different meanings. The only thing I would suggest is that instead of using a dollar figure to define rare, that you use a numerical number to define it instead. You can decide what that number is, but I would suggest 10 or fewer being the line.
     
  8. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member


    Well I personally consider many coins with more than 10 known to be "rare" ... anyway, what are your thoughts on the other terms for the scale?
     
  9. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    I find it amusing as well.
     
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  10. Amanda Varner

    Amanda Varner Well-Known Member

    Oh, and I forgot for someone else up the way; I doubt there's going to be anything like "publishing" outside of my site, but I think I am going to get more creative with my watermarks so I can at least keep my name on it if it does get passed around the internet. I think I need an official logo! ;)
     
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  11. thetracer

    thetracer Active Member

    I remember reading somewhere online, probably an article or three on a coin, possibly magazine, website a big consideration of the rares and scarces. He talked about the previous definitions associated with projected numbers remaining today, and then defined his numbers for each word. I cannot remember or find that article.
    But, if you search those words enough, you should find some references about previous definitions of rare, scarce, etc.
    While they are certainly used loosely all the time, it would be nice to have some numbers to go with them.
     
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  12. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Good point. I think rare has many levels. A coin with 1,000 known specimens is one kind of rare, whereas a coin with 10 or known specimens is whole other kind of rare. There are more levels than that, IMO, but just want to illustrate the point.
     
  13. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    The logo should be within a coin. Or have coin be some part of the logo.
     
  14. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Definitely in terms of conditional rarities--for example, the 1884s is the classic conditional rarity. It is a decent date in non-MS, but extremely expensive in MS condition. There are many others like it.
     
  15. thetracer

    thetracer Active Member

    Looks like I did save a bit of data from one of those articles, but I can't remember whose chart this was:

    UNIQUE 1

    Great Rarity <25

    Extremely Rare <100

    Very Rare <250

    Rare <500

    Scarce <5,000

    Common >10,000
     
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  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Don't know that I can agree with this. The Morgan 1893s is a true rarity, and 100,000 were minted with a survival rate of 10-15%. It depends upon circumstances. The Kennedy 1998s SMS had a mintage of 62,000, but would be considered desirable and not really rare, as a survival/slabbing rate is quite high.
     
  17. How about rare, medium rare, medium, medium well, and well done for a scale? :) TC
     
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  18. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I like and agree with this.
     
  19. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    He doesn't say anything about mintage or survival rates. Those are already accounted for. The classifications are based on known specimens.
     
  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not true. Using those criteria alone, then the 1893s Morgan would be COMMON, as approximately 10,000-12,000 specimens exist.
     
  21. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    What are you talking about???

    We're talking about the rarity scale, not an 1893s Morgan.

    If an 1893s Morgan has 10,000+ known specimens then it's obviously not rare. I'm talking about in general. Condition rarity (if one exists) is a whole other issue. Which you could apply the rarity scale to that also.
     
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