Large Cent Brockage?

Yeah. Even if this were a genuine error coin, it would be hard to prove so as all the other good points brought up by non_cents and Conder101. A tpg may not grade or holder this because of the skeptics behind it. A jam in the machine is completely reasonable though. I didn't pay much for the coin, so either way, it was a fun piece to pick up!

 

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Problem, having multiple planchets between the dies effectively increases the pressure greatly and since the middle and upper planchets would not be constrained by the collar they would spread to a larger diameter (Think a broadstrike only worse) . A significantly greater diameter after more than one strike.

 

Hi everyone. Hope I can get some help here. I've been a collector for about 50 years now and thought I saw everything. I found this post talking about a Brockage Large cent. In the last estate sale I purchased, I got about 800 Large cents and I found this one (see photos). There are a couple of folks that thought the one someone posted was fake, but I don't think this one is. Everyone on this coin matches other Large Cents that I have, except the image on BOTH sides are mirror. It looks like a regular Large Cent on both sides, except everything is backwards. Nothing on either side is showing on the opposite side. Any ideas? Looking for some type of value to. Robert

 

Squeeze job, not done at the Mint. Someone squeezed a copper blank between two large cents. Novelty value only, no collector value.

 

Hey Conder 101. Turns out the coin is real, and not a novelty item as you suggested. I got it confirmed this morning. It is called "Double Brockage". Sorry man, this is a very valuable coin, not a novelty. Thanks for the input. Robert

 

Confirmed by whom?

 

PCGS authorized dealer in Washington State. If you check out the Dan Holmes collection, you will see a prime example of incuse on the obverse, and a normal strike on the reverse. Mine is brockage on the obverse and incuse reverse. Check out my photos again and you will see what I'm referring to.

 

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I will accept it when it is slabbed.

 

I realize this is a bit old, but just for my information, wouldn't this process end up with an incuse design?

 

Hi Kirkuleez. The reverse is incuse, the obverse is not, and both sides are reversed (If you hole it up to a mirror, you can read it correctly). I will repost the pictures so you can see it.

 

Yeah, I don't agree with your dealer friend. I'd actually send it to PCGS. This looks like a classic squeeze job to my eye. I've been selling error coins since my teens... and I'd defer to Conder101's knowledge on US copper... if that tells you anything.

 

I can understand how an incuse reverse could happen at the mint, but how could the mint produce a reversed obverse without it being incuse as well? I am certainly not an error expert, but know enough about the minting process to make me question the authenticity of this piece.

 

Yes, if there was a cent stuck to the hammer die and then two planchets were fed into the press the bottom coin in the collar would have a raised image of the anvil die and a blank side. The middle coin would have a blank side and in incuse image of the anvil die (From the struck coin stuck to the hammer die) This coin would also be "squished" out like a major broadstruck coin because the pressure is much higher than normal and it is not restrained by a collar. The uppermost coin would have a normal or slightly distorted image of the hammer die and a normal image of the anvil die. it would also spread out and start cupping around the hammer die similar to the die cap shown on the first page. (In the case of the cap on the first page a cent was struck and not ejected from the press. A planchet was fed in and struck between the hammer(obv) die and the previously struck coin. that coin then stuck to the hammer die and the lower coin was ejected. Then several more planchets were struck between the hammer die and this stuck coin causing the stuck coin to cup around the hammer die wile the incuse image on the reverse spread out.)

And all of the reversed images we have seen in this thread are incuse images.

And in the case of copout's coin I also disagree with the dealer. You also need to realize that many dealers, even PCGS Authorized dealers, don't know beans about error coins.

Whoa, I missed that the obv of copouts coin was reversed and raised. In that case there is no way the coin can be real. There is no way to create a raised reversed image starting out with just raised forward image tools or incuse reverse image tools.