Would you consider this 1970 D Kennedy Half a candidate for PL status?

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  1. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Pulled this beauty of a half from a 1970 mint set I just purchased yesterday. I have to be honest - I hadn't even looked at the half before I bought the set (it had an RPM-001 Lincoln Cent, so I was doing well no matter what. Come to think of it, that LC is almost PL, too...) Once I pulled it from the OGP, I noticed that it has the exact same look as the SMS Kennedy Halves...so I'm wondering what the criteria for "Proof Like" coins is, and whether you feel this coin would qualify.

    I realize that grading/seeing mirror finishes from a photograph is difficult.

    Also, there is a bit of mint haze from the cello that's on the coin that doesn't look like milk spots (so that's a great thing.)

    Also, I'm curious what the market (value) of a coin like this would be (is it worth grading, and which TPG would be best for submission if it's worth it. I'm guessing that PL 1970 D Kennedy Halves aren't really that common (I've never seen one in person.)

    1970 D Kennedy Half Prooflike.jpg
     
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    No it isn't proof like as far as I can see. The SMS coins have a special preparation to look proof like, and you photo doesn't look anything like them. I would say it is a garden variety near gem grade 1970 D Kennedy half, which is one of the better dates. In MS 65, it is an $80 coin--I don't see this as a 65 at all. The big jump is to about $500 in MS 66, and that coin doesn't look MS 66 to me. There are far too many scratches--I would say MS 64 at the best. There are some hard hits on the obverse of the coin, plus a rim nick on the reverse.
     
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  4. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I also agree with Md .
    1970-D Kennedy are very rare.but a lot have the proof like look. But Tpg
    don't agree with most coins grade wise.
    Still one nice half.
     
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  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Here is my coin-- This is a PCGS MS 65. Yours doesn't have the fields like that, nor the luster from the picture. 70d B.jpg 70D.jpg
     
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  6. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Here mine.it was grades mid 1997-2000 a re grade.yielded
    I was hoping 65+ or MS 66.
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    Ya cannot always what ya want!
     
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  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Angelo, that one is nicer than mine--that should have been a 66--fields are super clean.
     
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  8. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Thank You Md !!!
     
  9. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    MS 66 I would give it. One nice half.
     
  10. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    Wouldn't the "big jump" be when the coin grades MS67?
     
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  11. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Yes, it jumps from $500 to $5,000 from 66 to 67. However, have you ever seen a MS 67 1970D? lol. I'd say the jump from $85-500 is pretty big. The coin would have to be darn near perfect for PCGS or NGC to go 67 on a '70D Kennedy, due to the scarcity.
     
  12. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    well to answer your question ......... Yes I have seen one. Here are a few quick pictures I took a while ago of the one that is in our safety deposit box.

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  13. There is hardly any correlation with the word rare and the 1970-D half.
     
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  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank



    That is like an ebay rare.
     
  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not true in terms of condition. MS 67 is a rarity for that date. The coin itself is common in lesser conditions.
     
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  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That answers the question about conditional rarity. This is why it is in your safety deposit box. :)
     
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  17. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®



    Md Is that safely box in Redhook Ny?
    Richard/Roy??????
     
  18. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Here is the '70D from my complete Kennedy set. I would say it looks nicer than the slabbed MS 65 that I have--this one is a probable 65+ or possibly a 66. Any scratches are on the plastic from the Dansco. IMG_0060.JPG IMG_0062.JPG

    To answer the critics that say the 1970D is not a rare coin--no, in ordinary condition it isn't. However, NGC has certified 150 at MS 66, and 5 at MS 67. I would call that a conditional rarity. None are higher than 67.
     
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  19. If you're going to beat a dead horse, I'll concede the conditional rarity. :p

    But every date and mm has that. Whether on the high or low end.
     
  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I am not beating a dead horse. For JFK halves, that is a conditional rarity, and for a modern coin, it is a fairly significant one.
     
  21. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Since the original topic is long gone already, and since I'm in Chicago away from my photo setup and can't post more (better) photos of the half, I thought I'd at least share the RPM-001 cent, which is similarly well struck (although I wouldn't call it PL.)

    1970 S Lincoln Cent RPM-001 4.jpg
     
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