1829 Large Cent. Is this a fake?

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  1. TaborTot22

    TaborTot22 Well-Known Member

    I purchased 14 US Large Cents from an auction today. I am pleased with what I got and what I paid but I am curious about this coin. It is a 1829 Large Cent. Everything looks normal but the orientation is off. Usually, when I flip a coin vertically (top down), the reverse is right-side up. However, with this coin, I have to flip the coin horizontally for it to be right-side up.

    I know that many of the Large Cents have some rotation errors but could it be off 180 degree? Or it is a fake?

    Any opinions would be appreciated.

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  3. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    I don't think it's impossible to have a 180 degree error.
     
  4. ryanlglass

    ryanlglass Active Member

    It would be a sweet find if it is real. Probably best to have it looked at by a professional.
     
  5. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    looks real to me. die rotation is very possible.
     
  6. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    As best I can tell from the pictures provided that cent appears to be a Newcomb 8 variety. This suggestion was based on the key leaf positions on the reverse solely. Don't be unduly alarmed at the die rotation, given the level of minting technology in use at that time rotations are seen quite often.
     
  7. TaborTot22

    TaborTot22 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all your opinions. Any idea of grade and/or value? I'm thinking of reselling. Thanks.
     
  8. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    Grade is of course subjective. As a EAC member we are a bit tough on grading. Your coin has seen some rough times, the word we use is "Scudzy" not intended to be inflammatory at all, but just that it shows corrosion, and other marks from it's many years of use. Being a Rarity 1+, the second most common variety that year, I could only offer a guess of between $20 and $25.
     
  9. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    As far as I can tell this seems to be rather common. Here's one of mine that's nearly rotated 180.

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  10. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    There are many coins with known rotations of well over 90°. The last known major rotation can be found on some 1994 cents, with a rotation of about 165°. A rotation of 180° is not only very possible, it is known to occur more frequently on older coins.
     
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  11. TaborTot22

    TaborTot22 Well-Known Member

    Okay, I'm okay with that number. I paid $9 for it. Thanks.
     
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  12. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    non_cents is correct. Die rotation is not uncommon on large cents.
     
  13. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Die rotations are possible on nearly all US coins. Some coins, such as two-cent pieces, are found with a medalic alignment fairly often while others are more scarce with medalic alignment. I think yours is real.
     
  14. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    I would say the coin has G details and with some corrosion on it 20 to 25 might be a bit high of an estimate. If surfaces were good and not cooroded at all than this price is about right. In its present shape I would say about 15 would be about right.
     
  15. TaborTot22

    TaborTot22 Well-Known Member

    Ok. Thanks to all who've given their opinions. Does this 180 degree die rotation add to the value at all?

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  16. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    it might a little bit to someone who collects those types of coins
     
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