Proof Morgan's.

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  1. tdogchristy90

    tdogchristy90 Dieu et les Dames

    In terms of Morgan dollars how much better are dmpl over pl Morgan's? I have a chance to pick up a ms64pl Morgan that has caught my eye. I'm just curious if it's worth it to hold out for a dmpl? I'm asking not in terms of value or scarcity but in beauty. Thanks.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You understand that PL Morgans are not actually proofs?
     
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  4. tdogchristy90

    tdogchristy90 Dieu et les Dames

  5. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    The only difference between PL and DMPL is a matter of a few inches of reflectivity in the fields; on both sides, by taking a ruler, and holding the coin by it's edge at the end of the ruler, and looking in the fields and seeing what inch number can be seen clearly in the reflection.

    PCGS PL designation is 2-4 inches of reflectivity in the fields on both sides, and their DMPL designation is 6 inches of reflectivity on both sides.
     
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  6. A misleading title to the post, but I digress to the question.

    If you are only looking for a type coin that is PL, hold out for a common DMPL.

    If you are collecting like blue62vette, I can understand buying a PL when a DMPL for the date & mm might be either near impossible to find or cost a fortune.
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Here are two of my coins to compare. The 80s is proof like and the 87 is a DMPL.

    Compare the level of reflectivity--the mirror like surfaces are much deeper on the 1887. NEITHER ONE is a true proof, as long as you understand that.

    80s reverse.jpg 80s.jpg 1887dml obv.jpg 1887DMPL rev.jpg
     
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  8. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    A couple of beautiful coins BU .
     
  9. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Thanks, but uhm, they're not mine ;)
     
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  10. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Nope, not his. MINE!! lol I do think they show the difference between PL and DMPL fairly accurately, even though a straight on photograph often doesn't highlight the amount of reflectivity. Especially on the reverses, one can see a difference in the depth of the mirrors. Both were very affordable, so for the OP--you can nice coins of EITHER type in the common dates that are good examples of Prooflike and Deep Mirror Prooflike. True proof Morgans ( I have one, an 1885), are very expensive, as they were minted in very small quantities.
     
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  11. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Sorry Morgan Dude , guess I was having a 60year old moment . I sure hate to see what it will be like when I'm 75 . ;)
     
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  12. theSharpGun

    theSharpGun The King

    If it's okay with the OP, I'd like to piggyback on his question.
    I was just wondering what would be the best DMPL Morgan for a type set? or in other words, the most common DMPL? Is there anyway to tell for sure?
    I guess PCGS pop reports would be a good start but I'd love your input.
     
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  13. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    Moreso than the depth of the mirrors, I would look for one with the best contrast. Some of these can look like a dcam proof with a thick frost on the devices and slick black fields.
     
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  14. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    The best dates for DMPLs in terms of frequent occurrences, nice looking coins, and affordability are the 1880s, 1881s, 1882s and the 1884o 18850 1886o . Many nice examples of DMPL coins can be had that have amazing contrasts, and go at reasonable prices. This is for a coin that is MS 63 or 64. Anything more tends to get expensive in any date for a type coin.
     
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  15. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    If you want to see a hundred or more DMPL & PL Morgans for sale on one site, in all price ranges, google Don Rinkor Rare Coins.
     
  16. theSharpGun

    theSharpGun The King

    Thank you, I appreciate it. I aim to get a couple of unique pieces like DMPL Morgans in 2014 and now I know where to start. I'll start looking for a MS64/65 DMPL in one of those years. Thanks again!
     
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