1942 5 coin proof set value?

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by JBOCON, Dec 30, 2013.

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  1. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    so then I can post each one side by side $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (2)-horz.jpg $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57-horz.jpg $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (3)-horz.jpg $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (4)-horz.jpg $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (5)-horz.jpg
     
    Rick Stachowski, Dec 30, 2013
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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Rick, there are so many different variables in the potential setup with the photographed proof set, that trying to compare those photos and the OP's photos side by side really doesn't prove anything (for instance, the lighting and quality of images is obviously vastly different). From what I see in the OP's images, I see mirrored fields with sharp details that strongly resemble proof characteristics.
     
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  4. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The images of this set are horrible, but my gut tells me these are proof coins. Yes, I know some are convinced they are business strikes, but the fields have strong proof qualities.
     
    Tom B, Dec 30, 2013
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  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Are there any particular diagnostics that you can point to that convinces you that the OPs coins are not proof? Showing me fairly poor images next to fairly poor images doesn't really help me learn the difference. Really I'm trying to learn if I'm missing something. Thanks for your help Rick.
     
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  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (3)-horz.jpg sure, look at liberty on the dimes for starts
     
    Rick Stachowski, Dec 30, 2013
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  7. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The Merc is the coin that appears most like a proof to me. The fields do not look like they have flowlines, yet they have the characteristic speckles that appear on proof coinage of the era.
     
    Tom B, Dec 30, 2013
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  8. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Rick, Kirk means that YOU explain it in your own words, not posting photos and saying "just look and you'll see it". And as both Kirk and I pointed out, posting 2 photos taken under different lighting conditions, with different setups and cameras is not an effective way of determining the authenticity of a certain coin.

    And I agree that the OPs photo of the Mercury dime does exhibit proof-like qualities.
     
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  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I don't think you're missing anything Kirk . . . frankly, if these coins are as nice as I think they could be, and were offered to me at an attractive price for proofs, I'd be hot to trot.

    In comparing the quality of strike between the walkers, especially at Liberty's head and left hand, I prefer the OP's coin . . .
     
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  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    no but lettering is, like the L in liberty $T2eC16Z,!y0E9s2S8i8OBSE82PjwcQ~~60_57 (3)-horz.jpg
     
    Rick Stachowski, Dec 30, 2013
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  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    What about then L? It sort of looks like one of my proofs.
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    Kirkuleez, Dec 30, 2013
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  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    look how square the rim is on the proof, to where the bus. strike is round, just study the coins I posted, non cent is right about lights, and etc, but details don't lie
     
    Rick Stachowski, Dec 30, 2013
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  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Ahh, now I'm starting to learn. Thanks Rick.
     
    Kirkuleez, Dec 30, 2013
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  14. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    Dime through cent are definitely without a doubt proofs. Quarter very likely proof, but the half, I'd need a better look at.
     
    Cazkaboom, Dec 31, 2013
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  15. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    Am I now to believe my PCGS Proof dime is no longer a proof because it has the OP's "L" Die characteristics? Gotta remember that there are quite a few different dies and die pairs used even on proof coins.
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    Cazkaboom, Dec 31, 2013
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  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    They look like proofs to me. None of the images are very helpful.
     
    ldhair, Dec 31, 2013
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The question cannot be definitively answered without somebody who knows what they are doing seeing the coins in hand. That requirement would probably exclude the average dealer, and definitely exclude the average collector.

    The Proofs of this period are indeed very different from most Proofs in that most do not have mirror fields, and very few have a cameo effect. As for flow lines, any and all struck coins have flow lines, it is impossible for it to be otherwise. But the flow lines on Proofs are almost always quite different from the flow lines of business strikes. The Proofs from this period are one of the few exceptions for many, but not all, of them have flow lines that resemble those of business strikes.

    Go to the Heritage site and view the '42 Proofs listed there.
     
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  18. JBOCON

    JBOCON Well-Known Member

    Well this morning, I got this set into the two LCS in my area. One is not so hot, but the other guy is fairly well known and respected in this part of the country. Both say it is a proof set. The good guy had a PCGS graded 1940 proof set to do a side by side compare to. After seeing this set, (which did not look as good as mine) I am now more convinced than ever it is a proof set. The good guy said the coins would probably grade out between 65 and 66 with the cent being an RB4.
     
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  19. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Thanks for the update JB. The grades seem a bit generous, but then again, I'm not the one with the coins in my hand. Great set.
     
    Kirkuleez, Dec 31, 2013
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  20. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    That's awesome! Congrats and thanks for the update!
     
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