New almost perfect fake Maples/ Eagles

Looks OK to me. If the dimensions and weight check out, there is no reason to think they're fake. It would not be commercially viable for someone to make them to exact specifications with cheaper materials. Besides, they're a big jewelry and bullion operation. They could have purchased them from a customer, without knowing. You're just assuming things. Not everyone in the world is out to get you. Get over yourself.

Not sure what rock you live under but bigotry isn't tolerated anymore. Edited

 

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Ok pal. Look Ive been stacking long enough to know the difference. Ive gotten plenty of fakes, there are things you pick up on, like messing up on the cladding on the side, and the sound test isn't foul proof, but it usually is a good indicator. EDITED

 

Also it couldn't be a mistake if they accepted a fake coin, because they claim that they come direct from the mint

 

Two wrongs do not make anything right. If anyone has a problem with religious or political or personal remark need to be removed , click on the "report button "/

 

Stop as of this post. Anymore such will close the thread and have violation points added or someone will take a long timeout! Do as I stated above.

 

Just something to consider but you may want to undertake more substantial testing methods before determining something is fake based off a quick cursory ring test. It's very easy to do a specific gravity test and if you've truly been stacking for years you should be familiar with very easy non damaging test method. If the coin failed the specific gravity test or you're still leaning towards a fake you could then go with acid testing. These other two tests are much more reliable than a simple ring test. Personally
I'd never base a conclusion that something is fake based solely off a ring test. Unless of course that test was done in a laboratory under controlled conditions using the latest high tech audio measurement equipment. Even then I'd still follow through with a specific gravity test and then the acid test if still unsure.
You may also want to be careful making public statements about someone that can be construed as libelous in nature. Especially statements that could very well impact their business negatively. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be sued for damages as a result of posting a simple but very public Youtube video. As your video does contain language that can be construed as potentially harmful and a seller could certainly take you to court over it if they desired.

 

Is it just me... you compared the rings of two different coins. The first was a ASE and the second was the ML in question. Two different coins are going to sound the same?

 

Blissskr is dead on accurate. A RING/SOUND TEST? ARE YOU 12??? I buy many items from Aydin, trust me, they do not have time to sell you one fake maple. You should be kicked off eBay for filing a false negative. And for your Muslim comments, you should be kicked off this forum. I cannot believe the moderators are allowing such an ignorant person to remain. IT FAILED A RING TEST - the most subjective "test" there is

 

Aydin is one of the most reputable dealers on eBay, and would never, ever sell a fake maple. You need to go back to "counterfeit detection school".

 

You mentioned in your video that because the initials SB is on the Queen's collar that it's fake.

I have news for you, I googled images of the 2013 1 oz. Maple Leaf, and every single image on the page of the obverse has the SB initials on the Queen's collar.

https://www.google.com/search?q=201...oDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=784#imgdii=_

Your coin is real, and I suggest you remove the eBay seller's name and revise the opening post to this thread as you are committing a libel against that person.

As another CT member suggested, you REALLY need to go back to counterfeit detecting school.

I would also ask the mods to edit the opening post to remove the eBay seller's name.

 

We are the owners of Aydin Coins & Jewelry and sell online and on eBay under aydin_coins. I thank one of our customers who pointed out this post by one of our unhappy customers. We have been selling on our website and on eBay for many years and feel that we do a pretty good job at it. We tried to assure the buyer that the maple leaf he bought were real but has refused accept, we offered a full refund without success. We only buy sealed monster boxes of maples, eagles, philharmonics etc. so we are 100% certain that the coins are real.

We came to this country about 30 years ago and worked very hard and came to know lot of good people from all types of religion.

I appreciate all the positive comments and inputs from all the members here.

Thank you

 

You could file it and acid test it, no problem taking it back and issuing a refund but I am 100% certain the coin we sent you was real, if you look at the maple leaf specification, diameter, thickness and weight there is no way a fake coin would have the same characteristics, each metal has a specific density so you tell me which metal would produce fake maple leaf with the following characteristics Weight 1.000 Troy Oz. 1.000 Troy Oz. 31.10 Grams* 31.104 Grams Diameter 1.496" 38 mm Thickness 0.129" 3.29 mm.

Responses are welcome.

 

maybe kryptonite?

 

I'd be surprise if we hear from the OP again, and if we do, I hope it's an apology... though after inserting his foot into his mouth, I doubt this will happen. He's probably slinking off somewhere with his tail between his legs; and if he isn't, he should be.

I would also like to thank Aydin for responding in a professional manner. Good job, guys!

 

Hopefully, for 2014, crying wolf incidents like this will not happen. The Royal Canadian Mint is introducing additional security features to its Maple Leaf bullion coins.

http://www.mint.ca/store/news/news-...=600004&nodeGroup=About+the+Mint#.Ur3A73lUOao

 

Thank you for the specifications. Many people who resort to testing such as "ring", rare earth magnets, observation under tissue paper, do not understand the physical chemistry involved with specific gravity, nor have they invested in accurate scales with high resolution , nor similar digital calipers. Such measurements would have greatly relieved any suspicions, if they would have done so. Most have scales with a resolution of only 0.1 grams and thus fall short due to rounding algorithms.

Do you happen to know the tolerances involved with the measurements you quoted?

 

A bit late to the party here, but I have info for ya. I missed the video as it has been deleted by the moderators. Probably the right thing to do, but going off this quote:

As the treasurer of my local coin club, I have holdings of both ASEs and Maple Leaf bullion. I noticed the difference and decided to use my common sense and figure out why they sounded different. With some research I proved my common sense right. And I didn't take down my reputability or the dealer's reputability of whom the club bought them from.

ASEs and Maple Leaf coins have a different ring to it. The exact way a dime and quarter have different sounds. They are composed with the exact same metals yes? But the size and diameter will change the sound completely. But that is off subject as their mass is changed.
An ASE measures at 40.6mm diameter and 2.98mm thickness. A Canadian Maple Leaf has a diameter of 37.97mm and thickness of 3.29mm. That will change the sound completely. Think it as a set of bells. You can have the same weight all on all the bells, but if you change the shape, thickness, or size, you will completely manipulate the sound the bell makes.

Discrediting a reputable seller on a whim like this is a very rash thing to do. You may want to do a bit of research and thinking before you go foolishly accuse somebody of wrong doing.

 

It was, and you didn't miss anything except extreme prejudice

 

I am sorry but not sure about the tolerances, perhaps emailing the Canadian Mint for that info might help.

 

I also welcome you Aydin, and am sorry you had to come here to defend your name against such attacks One of the pitfalls with free speech in this country is occasionally its speech you do not agree with.

If you wish, please stick around. We have a lot of good members here, as well as a trade section.