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1974 D CN Obverse
Discovery Coin: IDDDO-1 74D IDDDR-MHDDR IDDP-1

Cross Reference: None Known.

Attributed by: IDDD Thomas Kalantzis.

Class: Obverse Class II Tripled/Master Hub.

Reporter: Richard Stachowski.

Description: Class II tripling seen on many letters of IN GOD WE TRUST. Wide split serifs and doubling seen on the rest of the letters. Wide but mushy spread on the upper left serif of the 1. Tripling on the 7.

Reverse Description: Master hub DDR.

Marker: Obverse Full R in LIBERTY. Eye pocket die scratches. Scratch to the left of thee last T of TRUST running SW/NE. Die scratch to the left of the R of LIBERTY running SW/NE. Die crack starting at the rim to the left of the one in date meandering onto the one, continuing NE through the 9 and 7 ending at the 4 in date. Reverse: Type 3.

Date Recorded: 12/5/2013, CD.

Population: 1.


Comments: Obverse has been abraded due to cracking on the die (Serfice crack). Mr Stachowski has the honor of being the first collector to have sent in the first tripled working die TDO for the 1974 D minted coin. heres the link to this DDO http://www.ikedollardoubledie.com/1974-p-d-s-ddo-ddr.php

 

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Heres some info on working die TDO:
Working Hub - doubled die
A Working hub doubled die is doubling passed down from a doubled Master die.

Stand alone Working die - doubled die, tripled, quadrupled etc are all Very RARE.

These are the rarest form of die doubling, to date are known as being stand alone die representatives.

What is the difference between a working hub DDO and a Working die DDO or TDO or TDR etc.

Working hubs are already doubled at the Master die level and passed onto the working hub, in turn the doubled Working hub simply transfers the doubled image onto the Working die through the hubbing process .


Working die doubled die

Working die doubled dies when the Working die is being hubbed incorrectly, any wrong settings or misalignment, or the float not working properly due to debris as well as using different hubs can cause die doubling as well as a tilted looking strike showing on the coin as a one sided doubled die stronger on side to no visible doubling on the other side. New as of 2008 tripled etc. are images overwritten through the hubbing process, with new tripled - quadrupling, etc. happens again on the last hubbing effecting the outer devices, these dies are stand alone tripled etc. dies (TDO/TDR etc.) This type of doubled, tripled etc. dies are almost always doubled twice - first on the Master die then again hubbed in to the new Working die on the last hubbing and possibly next to last hubbing, this is why some Working dies are Very RARE and others very common.

 

Congrats Rick! I'm glad this worked out great for you. Very informative also. Thanks for sharing.

 

That is kool. Can you point me to the original thread you did on this so I can check those photos? Assuming you did a thread on it before

 

sure, heres a link on IDDD site http://forum2.ikegroup.info/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1995

 

Good work Richard!

 

You and me were right, it was triple stamped, its a stand alone die too, amazing

 

Could this be the same as the 74D MDO-001 in the CONECA listings?

http://www.varietyvista.com/Variety Master Listings/eisenhower doubled dies.htm#_1974-D

Larry Nienaber

 

I don't think so, it would have a cross reference then

 

You should send it in to James Wiles and see if you can get it listed in the CONECA Master Listings.

Larry Nienaber

 

I sent Mr. Potter an email, he saw it at the last coin show, along with some other folks

 

Larry I think I could have told Richard to send his photos Potter or Wexler .
I knew he had to get an expert opinion first .

 

I already talked to coneca at the coin show, they said it would have to be sent to him, but, I think of everybody that collects ike, and IDDD is the only site that shows photos for the ike dollars DDOs & DDRs, and I still have at least 15 more, thees were my grandfathers coins, so I still have more

 

Rick when a master hub is doubled then every working die made from this master hub will have this doubling from the master die on them , therefore the coins from these many different dies makes the coins too common to be worth much of a premium. there wll be millions and millions of these coins since it is coming from a master hub. there are lot of Kennedy half dollars that have this same problem and as far as I know no one tries to collect them. Potter should have explained this to you.

 

This is all I need to know
Stand alone Working die - doubled die, tripled, quadrupled etc are all Very RARE.

These are the rarest form of die doubling, to date are known as being stand alone die representatives.

What is the difference between a working hub DDO and a Working die DDO or TDO or TDR etc.

Working hubs are already doubled at the Master die level and passed onto the working hub, in turn the doubled Working hub simply transfers the doubled image onto the Working die through the hubbing process .


Working die doubled die

Working die doubled dies when the Working die is being hubbed incorrectly, any wrong settings or misalignment, or the float not working properly due to debris as well as using different hubs can cause die doubling as well as a tilted looking strike showing on the coin as a one sided doubled die stronger on side to no visible doubling on the other side. New as of 2008 tripled etc. are images overwritten through the hubbing process, with new tripled - quadrupling, etc. happens again on the last hubbing effecting the outer devices, these dies are stand alone tripled etc. dies (TDO/TDR etc.) This type of doubled, tripled etc. dies are almost always doubled twice - first on the Master die then again hubbed in to the new Working die on the last hubbing and possibly next to last hubbing, this is why some Working dies are Very RARE and others very common.

 

Congrats on your new find!

Last year I had a similar find, only to get a call from Tom K and be told that it was not a working die that was doubled but a master hub that was doubled. Tom sent it off to ANACS for me where they put "First Reported" on the label. I was stoked. Now this is not true since it has been matched with other master dies. Tom was really bummed for me, but that is what happens when you have progressive research going on. What was one thing one day could very easily become something else another day.

 

I only collect Kennedy Half Dollar Varieties, so I don’t know all the details for the Ike Dollars. I do believe Wexler and Potter are two of the leading variety experts in the field, but Wiles controls the CONECA Master Listings, witch I use for a Kennedy Half Dollar Checklist with my collection. I think your new Dollar would be a very good find if it was also CONECA listed. Just my opinion!
Larry Nienaber

 

so far working die, it will grade at least ms-64, it's pretty nice, nice round doubling on the lettering, and so on, easy coin to see its a working die, thats triple stamped, I said that from the beginning

 

It will gets it rounds, thats for sure, I live in Michigan, where most of the experts are

 

Heres a full shot of it, its a beauty