1892 CC On The Way To PCGS Grade?

On this we totally agree Happy Holidays Doug.....

Mike

 

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I've only been collecting Morgans for a little over a year. I was told early on by someone on the NGC message boards how to grade a 64. He has considerable experience and I'll never forget his recommendation for a MS64: if the mark on the cheek is deep enough to draw blood, it's not a 64. Now that being said, I've seen a whole lot of coins in both TPG titans holders that were over graded. I do take my time sorting through all the slabbed coins to find the ones I think are properly graded. I'm not perfect, but as I view the pictures, in the back of my mind is "will the bag mark draw blood"!

 

Me I buy the coin first I'll grab a clean example for the grade that I think is correctly graded and I'll walk on ones that I think are overgraded I have ms 64 morgans that many people would today call a 65 and I feel no need to send them in and spend the money to try and get them upgraded cause in my opinion their correct I started collecting long before there were tpgs and learned how to grade coins and bought many coins before tpgs became popular I rely mostly on the slabs to buy coins that I can't hold in hand to be sure that their authentic and problem free I trust my eye on coins when I can examine them in person (tho I occasionally have made mistakes) but I can't examine a coin at an auction halfway across the country that is what I rely mainly on tpgs for as to grade I often make my own desicions

 

I certainly agree that we need to learn to grade, independently of the TPGs, but to throw their grades out as irrelevant or over graded consistently is childish. They control the market, and not someone's opinion.

 

They set the market for sale prices on coins, and condition of coins in arms-length transactions. Are you really that naive to believe that isn't the case? Before TPGs, it was an extreme risk to buy a coin sight unseen. Now it is done all the time. So I guess Doug's extremely punitive grading is correct, and the TPGs market grading is wrong? Wow, didn't know you had that kind of juice!!!

 

I am not even going to bother answering your condescending and rude defense of yourself all the time. The last straw was acting as if I am unfamiliar with the Grey Sheet and Blue Sheet---c'mon, Doug, there are others who know as much as do you.

Be the one who is always right on grade, and enjoy your "divinity." I think the proof is in the pudding--very experienced collectors on this board grade a coin as "62-63-64-63-61-64-63," and you come in at "AU 55 details. " Everybody else is wrong and you are right. Fine with me if you believe that.

 

Thought you weren't supposed to get personal around here. I questioned the sanctity of your grading, not you as a person. You are being rude, Doug. I am calling you on your condescension, not your opinions, with which I have respectfully disagreed with before. Now, you are getting personal, and that isn't what we're supposed to do here, is it? Can't we disagree on grading standards without the denigrating remarks if I don't happen to share your opinions?

 

Any word yet?


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not yet. still provessing

 

Matt, you never did say what you thought it would grade.

 

Add me to the MS63 camp.

 

The rim is nicked up pretty good. No one seems to have mentioned that.

 

@Matt - any word on the results yet?

 

I would call it a 63, but am willing net that pcgs goes 64.

 

I forgot to update this thread...oops my fault! The coin went into a 63 holder and was subsequently sold.

 

Guess I was right, Doug. You drastically under graded it, as per your overly punitive standards. TPGs are not always overly optimistic. I said it was a 62-63, and would grade as 63. So did several other members--so I think there is something amiss in grading so strictly that it is punitive.