1971 Cent CLASS VIII - Tilted Hub Doubling

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by tommy cent, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    This one I had in my collectionfor a while and wondered what it was now I know
    but i will like to share it with You Guys on coin talk.
    The First photo is a reference photo from coppercoins.com

    CLASS VIII - Tilted Hub Doubling: "
    Tilted hub doubling occurs when a die is setin the hubbing press tilted and rotated clockwise or counterclockwise from the hub. The resulting doubled die will show doubling on part of the design close to the rim, and the rest of the design will be normal." ¹

    Again, some ambiguity surrounds this class of hub doubling. Some variety experts have included the tilted hub, instead of solely the tilted die, as the cause for this type of doubling. In this scenario the tilted hub accounts for the majority of the single squeeze hubbed doubled dies (see Class IX) with or without a specific rotation to the hub.

    A misnomer associated with this class is trail dies (including wavy steps). Some listings have this anomaly type under this class of die doubling. Our contention is that trail dies are not doubled dies and thus should not be listed under any class of hub doubling.


    The photos below show a Class VIII hub doubling found on a 1964-P Lincoln cent. Notice the extra vertical bar above the L of LIBERTY and the slightly clockwise rotated second impression of the word IN. All photographs are courtesy of Coppercoins
    http://error-ref.com/doubled-dies.html
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I think it might be a mix of die abrasion and flow lines from die wear.
     
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  4. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Nope! I know what Im seeing thats not die wear at all!!! thanks anyway..
     
  5. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Tommy, look at your last photo, you can some die erosion someplace on every letter in UNITED. And on the N , you can see similar die erosion on both sides of the letter which would not occur with the type VIII. The portions you are see as doubling are ill-defined unlike the examples you show from Coppercoins,, no sharp delineation as with theirs. I also believe it is mainly die erosion and not a type VIII.
     
  6. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    I know what Im looking at.. thanks anyway..
     
  7. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    Is there a point to this?
     
  8. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    This is not a class VIII doubled die. This is die deterioration.
     
  9. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    when I said I had the RRDD quarter I knew what I was looking at and I glad Mike Diamond confirmed what I already knew sometimes these pictures dont give You the best detail but I can guarantee You if You were looking at this coin Yourself You would definitely change Your opinion. On both of these here Im going to trust my eye.
    Thanks anyway for the input.
     
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  10. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    No. I wouldn't change my opinion because I've seen hundreds of LMC cents like this. Send it in though and let us know the results.
     
  11. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    That's all fine and dandy, but keep in mind that there are other coins where you have said the exact same thing and have been incorrect. I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong when it comes to this one, but I think if you are so sure on this one then you should submit it to a variety attributor.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2013
  12. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Will do.. but there also have been a bunch on coins You been wrong about on my threads
    and others.
     
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  13. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Fair enough, most people have been wrong at some time or another. Let us know when you send it to an attributor and what the results are.
     
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