I like Cleaned Coins and you should to thread

Oh I knew the,well when the cleaning/conservation was done we uncovered a previous cleaning, thought was coming. Oh well we have about beat this horse to death. I will just close with this thought,to everyone that wants to clean their coins to remove dirt.grime and the like ,do it but follow some rules: don't use jeweler rouge,commercial silver cleaners(paste ) caustic substances ,drano,muriatic acid,caustic soda or anything that you have to rub on the coins,always rinse them thoroughly,and pat dry never rub. These are a few tips, I know all of you have a high enough IQ to find,read and follow the instructions. In this age with the Internet you can find any help you need. Happy Coin Collecting!!!!

 

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Doug, I know what you are saying...but I almost hear that you are hinting at the possibility of the TPG damaging the coin they are conserving (I haven't read this whole thread so perhaps that is where this topic has went). I have personally never heard of a TPG "harshly cleaning" a coin to the point where it was not gradable. I have heard of TPGs dipping coins to remove toning and finding an old cleaning underneath. But, my understanding is the conservation techniques that PCGS and NCS use are pretty conservative and their staff well trained. is there a known instance of the TPG actually causing the damage?

Now, I know the obvious response to this would be the TPG would never admit to it. Well, I disagree. PCGS and NGC have built their current standing on having a good reputation in this business. Sometimes, that means owning up to mistakes. I believe they would admit to it if they in fact damaged a coin during conservation. So, with that in mind...has there ever been a reported case of this?

 

Actually, we had a poster here send a coin in for conserving and they ruined it. Maybe we can get Kasia to repost her pics. After she complained, they made another attempt to "fix" it. They put the coin in a problem free holder, but if I recall, that coin would have 0 chance of a problem free holder if it was cracked out an re-submitted.

 

Just don't drink the stuff.......

 

Right!! When I was younger we used to go to this bootleggers house and buy a quart of moonshine and he would go to his hand dug water well and pulls rope up and it was tied on the rope!! Man that stuff would kill me now!

 

Not from what I read. Coin collectors are extremely short sighted with regard to coin cleaning and toning. Over the long run, over a thousand years, silver has to be cleaned in order to be preserved.

 

Yes, over the course of a thousands years, ancient coins are carefully cleaned to preserve originality.
Improperly cleaning coins from the past 100-200 years, however, in nearly all cases will diminish value.

 

This is a useless arguement.

radars_teddy: if you want to clean your coins, or anyone else wants to clean their coins, then more power to you. Enjoy them and happy collecting. That's the great thing about this hobby. Just don't be surprised you have issues selling them.

 

I agree. Folks will learn a great deal when the time comes to sell. Every collector should sell a few things from time to time.

 

To everyone out there that wants to sell coins they have cleaned,I will buy them so Lon's as they have not been polished or harshly cleaned. If they have been soaked in a solution that's not caustic and have been rinsed and dried by patting dry or with a hair blower I don't have problem with buying them. If Mr.Bowers who has handled some of the most expensive collection that have been put together doesn't have a problem with it I don't either.

 

Oh come I think people are a lot more ethical than that. That's like 2 kids playing with a toy and it gets broken and when the parents try to find out who did it like"I didn't do it Johnny did it and Johnny says I didn't do it Bobby did it". Come on why do you want to take public forum like this to call most collectors Liars? I am highly offended by your statement!!!!

 

You make no distinction between experienced and inexperienced Numismatist,but that's okay because most hard core coin collectors are very ethical people,but take TPGs,2 of them have a vested interest in keeping the coins they grade at 63-64 depending on the coin. Just like with diamonds,gold oil etc keep the supply of high grade coins down to keep from flooding the market and driving down prices. Have you actually retread your comment?

 

I remember Warren Mills, the "eye", former grader, runs a high end company, made allusion to the fact that at one of the big coin shows he ran into a head of one of the grading services in one of his newsletters asking him why they will net grade cleaned coins; he was of course silent with the rebuke. Best guess was that it was no other than the head @ PCGS. I could dig out the reference if interested.

 

No that is not necessary I was just addressing the statement that you made concerning people always want to blame the TPGs for damage to their coin,that it's always the TPGs fault, i am not saying that it May not happen sometimes but to group the collectors together in one group and give the TPGs a "Saint Peter with a Halo Do No Wrong" endorsement is absolutely not right. If the TPGs were beyond reproach then there would be no sense In resubmitting the same coin in hope of getting the grade bumped up, the grade should stay the same whether you submitted it 1x-20x but you can and more times than not you will get at least 1 grade higher, but seriously I think you should read your post and at least add a caveat something as simple as "a large number of collectors will do this,not all but some" I think that would leave your statemt intact and allow others to say "oh he's not talking about me" but your statement puts everyone under the same umbrella !

 

I'm sorry I wasn't talking to you OWLE but to GDJMSP.

 

I feel everyone else understood what Doug was saying. I agree with his post. You really should read it again with an open mind.

 

Okay my mind is open and I reach the same conclusion. Sorry I really do think he was being disrespectful and completely sides with the TPGs. I realize we are not going to agree on everything and that's fine, just choose your words a carefully so that you don't unintentionally cause someone to feel like a dunce.