Just sent these in.... What do you think? Peace Dollars!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jtbull, Nov 20, 2013.

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What would the "average" grade of the two coins I just posted be?

  1. AU - 58 AND BELOW

    22 vote(s)
    88.0%
  2. MS60-62

    1 vote(s)
    4.0%
  3. MS63-64

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. MS65-MS66

    1 vote(s)
    4.0%
  5. MS66+

    1 vote(s)
    4.0%
  1. jtbull

    jtbull New Member

    I'm completely new to getting coins graded professionally.... I just sent these into PCGS and i'd like to know what you guys think they'll grade at.

    (My apologies in advance if this is posted in the wrong forum)

    1923-S Peace Dollar
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    1922 Peace Dollar (Can someone please tell me if they think this is a high relief one? I believe its low relief, but if anyone thinks otherwise please let me know.)

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    Glad to be a part of the forum!

    Thanks everyone! :D I'll be sure to let you know what the grades are when i get them back.
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I don't think High Relief applies to the 1922, but I could be wrong.

    I don't think either of these would grade high enough to make certification cost effective. The 1923-S would have to grade MS64, and the 1922 would have to grade MS66 to make it worthwhile.

    You should try to learn more about grading before submitting coins for certification. It would probably be helpful to get feedback from other members, here, before doing so. No offense intended, but you should have saved your money.

    Chris
     
  4. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    I won't take a crack at guessing grade, but the 1922 is low relief. . . 1921 was the only high relief in the Peace series.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    NOTE: If the person who voted "MS65-MS66" is just trying to be funny, he/she isn't helping the OP one bit. However, if this vote was cast by the OP, he/she really needs help.

    Chris
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    you should of checked for vams first, I agree with mostly everybody else, not worth grading, unless it was a hot 50, or top 100, in the vam world, good luck with your coins
     
  7. jtbull

    jtbull New Member

    What makes you think these are not MS coins? I can post additional pictures if you would like but I compared these to a PCGS MS64 peace dollar from 1923 (not S) that a friend of mine had and saw a pretty close comparison, as did the 5 other people that I asked when they saw the two coins of mine compared to the graded one. What is WRONG with these coins from the pictures that I have shown? (I used my camera phone to take the picture, so not much to work on there and I definitely know that lighting can affect how a pictured is interpreted)
     
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  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Your pictures are bad.
    The coins look acid etched.
    If you want honest opinions you need to supply quality images.
     
  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    heres what I'm talking about jtbull, I have a 1925- in nice ms-shape, it is also vam 6A, polishing lines & doubled rays, always check for vams, it can add value to your coins A035 - 20130515_033958 (2)-horz.jpg A030 - 20130514_061718 (3).jpg
     
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  10. WLH22

    WLH22 Well-Known Member

    Sending coins in for grading is a good way to learn about the grading process. It is not all that costly compared to buying improperly graded coins down the road. For the cost of a dinner for two you will now see what they think of these two coins. The big question will be if either one comes back ungraded for details/cleaning. If either does then use that as an example for future buys. Good luck.
     
  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Exactly right. I've learned more about how to grade by submitting coins to PCGS than any other practice.
     
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  12. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Sorry, need better pics before anyone can accurately grade through the interwebs...
     
  13. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Based on the pictures provided I would say AU details for the 23 S and unc details on the 22. Both improperly cleaned.
     
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

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  15. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Actually, a handful of high relief 1922 Peace Dollars were minted...but they are exceptionally rare and valuable. The business strike 1922 coins were all low relief and are very common. This is a low relief example.
     
  16. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I was going to point that out too! :)

    To the OP,

    Based on how your photos look, the coins are either circulated or improperly cleaned. Now, it could just be the lighting/photo. It's possible that all the little marks/splotches are noise from the camera not picking up the image properly. I was going to say "play around with the settings" but you mentioned that you'd already sent them in to PCGS...so maybe keep trying on another coin you think might be worthy of submission.

    However, I saw the pictures and my first impression was that I would NEVER send in a coin like this to be graded unless it was a variety/errror. They look pretty rough (just based on the photos provided.)
     
  17. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    That 1922 Matte High Relief would be one of my "lottery win" coins...lol
     
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  19. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    I learned something today. Thank you!!! Were the 1922 high reliefs sort of the "first run" for that year before they decided to modify the design?
     
  20. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Good advice!!! I think the vast majority of us have paid the price for this lesson. Live and learn. . .
     
  21. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I agree with this statement...that these coins appear to be not high enough grade and possibly damaged. Thus, grading them might not be a financially beneficial thing. However, take it as a learning experience. We have all done things with coins and later looked back and thought that it might not have been the best thing. But, we learned from it...and that's what matters. Lets say these coins come back graded genuine...improperly cleaned. Study them, understand why the graders felt they are cleaned. You will learn from that and in the future better understand how to avoid such coins. As far as I'm concerned...the cost of a couple grading submissions is very cheap education tuition.
     
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