Mad Die Clashes 2003-P Jefferson Nickel

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Rick Stachowski, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Let's see the coin after acetone. I just don't see anything that would indicate a counterclash. The "second dome" is way bigger than the original. You have to have at least two clashes to have a counterclash. Also, why does the top pic of the reverse look a whole lot cleaner than the close ups? I'm probably wrong, but after looking and looking at this, I just can't see the clashes.
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    good eye, it just didn't show up, (dome) I'll go shut some more photos, this time not so close
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    heres some new photos, I put the wrong reverse up yesterday, remember, just like the hanging 9 in the 1959 canadian cent, the hanging 9 is caused from a die clash, if you need me to point out the clashes, I can, but you should be able to see them, anything that looks black, is from extra metal, like non cents pointed out, good eye non cent A010 - 20131111_095530 (2)-horz-horz.jpg A014 - 20131112_062021 (2).jpg A016 - 20131112_063052 (2).jpg
     
  5. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    your coin is definately not a clashed or counter clashed die coin. I'm adding a link to the same website as you got your link from that shows one of my rare counter clash coins . look at the top of the memorial building at the design from the obverse die , all clashed die or counter clashed die nickel coins would have this similar appearance at the top of the memorial building because this is the area the nickel dies clash at.

    your coin looks to have some dried junk on it or solder and what appears to be the reverse side of another coin pressed into it. the O on Jefferson's head on your coin would be impossible to get there from a die clash. the only way this could happen is from a dropped letter. check out my coin on this link and if yours is not like mine then you know it is not any kind of clashed die. http://www.maddieclashes.com/CCL_TI_-5c-1981-01.html
     
  6. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    The wording in post 13 is not real precise, but I read it as you had warshed the thing already, so I was asking to see the result. I didn't recommend anything.

    I think some of that darker and clear raised stuff might not be coin, and might go away in an acetone soak. I'd be interested to see what this looks like cleaned.
     
  7. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Rick another thing you need to learn is that the mint workers don't go around pouring junk on the coins. look at your coin , the darn words are even covered up with this junk . looks like someone blew their nose on it.

    The very first thing a new error collector needs to learn is how to identify PMD from a real mint error. until then it's close too useless looking thru rolls of coins. another helpful thing is to read up on how coins are made at the mint.
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    then you would of known, they don't even have a 2003 photo, don't worry, potter will tell me whats going on, hes the real error expert, since 1959
     
  9. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    send Ken a photo of this coin thru a email and he will tell you the same thing as about everyone else is telling you . your coin is just covered with dirt and other junk
     
  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Potter doesn't answer email, thats why everytime I go to a coin show, people say: why don't you answer your emails, he just laughs, and again, the black is extra metal, even non cents notice that
     
  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I never cleaned anything, potter would notice the cleaninng, and tell you that, you ruined the coin
     
  12. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    the extra metal is the problem . do you think the mint workers puts extra metal on coins? Rick I believe I told you earlier that you may be trying to learn about coins too fast. slow down and first learn how to tell a dirty or damaged coin from a real mint error.I hope you don't get upset at me for trying to help you learn. the coin you have in this thread is so obivious a seasoned collector can see it as a damaged coin a mile away. I know that too a beginning collector it is a lot differnt , I still remember a lot of goof ups I did when first starting out and even years later. one goof up cost me close to a million dollars in error coins I took back too the bank but we will talk about that later.
     
  13. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Acetone will absolutely not damage a coin in any way if you soak it. It won't change the surface, won't change the finish, nothing. Once you soak it in acetone, you will not be able to tell that it was ever done.
     
  14. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Simon didn't tell you that. Where are you getting that from. The black is not extra metal.
     
  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I just took photos of the obverse & reverse, with a camera, to show there no grease on this coin, when my wife send them, I'll post them
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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    non_cents The Frisco Kid (YN)
    Doesn't look like a clash...looks like something stuck to the coin...
     
  17. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Yes, something stuck to the coin which is what everyone has been saying. Simon can speak for himself, but I would almost certainly bet that he wasn't implying that the "something stuck to the coin" was extra metal from any kind of error.
     
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  18. Rick Stachowski

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  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    theres a big difference between taking photos with a camera, and a microscope, the microscope shows colors, (black) extra metal, thats how non cents pick it up, where a camera doesn't show details
     
  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    o-ya, one last thing, I was sticking up for non cents, he has a good eye, he knows the difference between a microscope, and a camera
     
  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    where did everyone go, cat got your tongue lol
     
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