1996 LINCOLN CENT DDR

its been a while since I logged on this is a 1996 DDR I found in Minnesota about a week ago.

 

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Doesn't look like a doubled die...I'd guess a product of die wear.

 

Lol... I figured You say that...

 

Would it make you feel better if I said that same thing? : )

 

i agree die deterioration..

 

Well, Mr Tom, what is it in particular that indicates otherwise for you?

 

heres a reference link to "extra thick letters that are double die" : http://errorvariety.com/Doubled-dies/pages/1934D DDO-001_jpg.htm
and I can give You many more reference links... and please explain to me why are these letters
so thick then? die deterioration I agree is present but the thickness in the letters shows exactly
what this cent is..

look at the thickness in the letters.

 

Yes, there are extra thickness (Class VI) doubled dies, but this is not one of them. Given the extreme flow lines from the letters to the rim, the likely culprit is (as stated) die wear/die deterioration. Also note the fact that there are letters right next to each other were one is normal thickness and one appears thicker...that is usually not indicative of a class VI doubled die.

 

I agree, die deterioration. Notice all the flow lines from the letters to the rim.

 

OK.. I already been told what I have.. I was posting it to share my findings and it
always turns into a "I know it all about coins fest". so You mean to tell me that
die deterioration cant be present on a doubled die coin? cause its present on mines
and this is a DD.. nobody still hasn't told me why the letters are so thick? Im still waiting...
oh its die deterioration... how about STATES why is that so thick? I'll wait...

 

That's what we are saying...die deterioration doubling IS what is causing the extra thickness.
Yes, a doubled die can be present on a coin with die deterioration, but the thickness present on your coin does not resemble the typical look of a class VI doubled die from my experience.


May I ask who told you it was a doubled die?

If you think you have a new listing, maybe you should send it to a die attributor such as Bob Piazza, Ken Potter, or Wexler.

 

There's good info on this site: http://www.traildies.com/

 

Uh-oh. Now he's going to think every die flow line that he sees is a trail die.

 

I see nothing that makes me think DDR.

 

Here's why they are thick.

It's a combination of die wear (as noted by some) with the late remnants of the die being polished to remove clash marks. At this point, you may not see any evidence of the clash marks anymore as they wear off the die as it is used. They are also abraded off the die as much as is possible.

The evidence is on the Memorial building. On the upper left of the building, the portion where the upper part of the building comes in contact with the lower part of the building is missing and that is is a sign of die dressing (abrasion).

In this case and in many others, the die abrasion has widened the shoulders of the lettering causing larger looking letters. The die abrasion effected the surface details rather than digging too deeply into the die.

In some cases of die abrasion, the depth of the die is changed more dramatically as it effects the fields and the letters and the deeper portion of the letters on a die is narrow. On those coins effected by dies that were abraded deeply, the lettering can look smaller on a struck coin.

So the letters can be narrow or thicker as evidence of die abrasion and you have to look at the overall picture to figure out what happened.

This coin is not a doubled die.

You also see a lot of this on the reverses of Kennedy halves. The lettering looks wider but it is not due to die doubling. You still would see evidence of notching and grooves on this type of doubling, especially on squared off letters like the I of UNITED. There is no such evidence on this coin.

 

WRONG!!!


Im leave You with this and this will be my last post for a very long while...
Every characteristic on my cent fits this description and not only that, I already told You guys I know what I have thats why I haven't responded and the person who told me what I have Im sure is very very knowledgeable about coins and well known in the coin world . so a I sit back and read these post I could only laugh and say YOU ALL ARE WRONG... so I leave You with this:

http://doubleddie.com/203948.html

Now despute WEXLER'S CLAIM!

 

We are not doubting that class VI doubled dies exist...we are saying that your coin is not a class VI doubled die. It doesn't share the exact same attributes...the fact that some of the letters on a single word are thick and some are normal on your coin is not consistent with a doubled die. With a class VI this thick you would also see some form of notching...not really apparent on your coin. Check out this picture by Jason Cuvlier...a renowned numismatist. It shows a nickel with die deterioration doubling, in the form of "extra thickness". Pretty much matches the appearance of your coin, down to the heavy flow lines from the rim... http://www.errorvariety.com/OFD/images/5c-DDDa.jpg

Again I will ask...who is the "expert" that claimed your coin was a doubled die, the person you say is "well-known in the coin world"

Why don't you send it into Wexler for the final word? In fact, if he calls your coin a doubled die, I will pay for the attribution fee. But if he doesn't call it a doubled die, you have to post that here. If you're so sure, then you should have no trouble taking me up on the offer. What do you say?

 

Tommy, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the member known as foundinrolls has written books on this stuff. If I am wrong I am sorry, foundinrolls. If I am not, you should be embarrassed tommy.

 

Look for separation lines , have you looked it up in cherry pickers ? I know of a nice DDO on 96. PS everyone is going to say MD for everything u post prove to yourself it is what u think and be happy with that

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non-cents...you said "If you think you have a new listing, maybe you should send it to a die attributor such as Bob Piazza, Ken Potter, or Wexler." Why not James
Wiles?

Larry Nienaber