USA coin grading - British grading

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by SwK, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. SwK

    SwK Junior Member

    Hi members can you make life easy for me

    Is there an easy way to link US grading to British

    easy ones being:
    Proof = ?
    FDC = ?
    Uncirculated = ?
    Good EF = ?
    EF= ?
    Good VF =?
    VF =?
    Good Fine =?
    Fine =?
    Fair =?

    Toning:
    The rainbow toning is this easy to re-produce as many coins have it? or are they all natural?
    When coins are graded and slabbed does this increase the toning?

    Thank you for the patience from over the other side of the pond

    Regards
    Jeff
    info@petitioncrown.com
    www.pettioncrown.com
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Proof = Proof, Proof is a method of manufacture, not a grade
    FDC = usually MS65 or above
    Uncirculated = usually MS6o to MS64
    Good EF = EF45, though most use XF45
    EF= XF40
    Good VF = usually VF30 or VF35
    VF = usually VF20 or VF25
    Good Fine = F15
    Fine = F12
    Fair = G4 or G6

    It's pretty simple really, Europeans use an adjectival system and the US uses a numerical system. But both systems are basically the same and with few exceptions have equally sized grade ranges. The Europeans just use adjectives, and when they want to put a finer point on the grade they will use an additional adjective. Example, the European Good VF can be used to equate to VF30 and a Very Good VF can equate to VF35.

    For people with the knowledge, yes it is easy. And no they are most definitely not all natural.

    No, usually a coin being slabbed slows down the toning process. This is because the slab, and proper storage slows down the air flow that can get to the coin. But slabs are not airtight, so a coin in a slab can indeed tone, but usually at a much slower rate than one that slabbed. But it is important to note that a good hard plastic coin holder will do the same thing that a slab will do in this regard.
     
  4. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    what re the European grading companies??? what are ther holders like?? does any one have one they could send me??
     
  5. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    As far as I know the only recognized TPG with offices in Europe is NGC. And they're sending all coins to their US HQ for grading. Don't think there's a TPG specialized in European coins if that was your question.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Both NGC and PCGS have offices in Europe, and if memory serves they have opened offices in Asia as well.

    As for European grading companies, there is only 1 that I know of, CGS founded in 2006. This is their home page - http://www.coingradingservices.co.uk/

    To see what their slabs look like -
     
  7. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Indeed, PCGS has an office in Paris, France. See pcgseurope.com
    Sorry for missing that in my last reply... j'éspère que vous parlez français :)
     
  8. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Proof = same
    FDC = MS66+
    Uncirculated = MS63-MS65
    Good EF = XF45-AU53
    All the grades below this point, I'm not exactly positive are right.

    EF= XF40-XF43
    Good VF = VF30-VF35
    VF = VF20-VF25
    Good Fine = F15-F18
    Fine = F12-F15
    Fair = G4-G6

    Toning:
    The rainbow toning is this easy to re-produce as many coins have it? or are they all natural?

    Yes, it can be reproduced. The key is how the market perceives it.

    When coins are graded and slabbed does this increase the toning?

    I don't believe the slabs would accelerate toning, but they don't stop it. Maybe inhibiting is a good word for this.
     
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