1953 Cent Die Deterioration Doubling?

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  1. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    is this die deterioration doubling going on with the 3?
     

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  3. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Yes that is what some experts think it is , I always thought it may be a repunched 3
    I have quite a few just like yours and others are for sale on Ebay ever now and then. all that I have seen appears to be from the same die but I suppose die detoration can't be ruled out because it can look the same.
     
  4. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    It is die deterioration doubling.
    Besides the fact that the mint stopped repunching the date after 1909, a repunching would show notching, and would be raised to the same level that the original date is at. There is no way this is a repunched date.
     
  5. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Well I'll be a catfish , I don't think anyone said this was definately a repunched date . LOL
     
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  6. rascal

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    Hey non cents , you keep telling the CT members that the mint stopped repunching the date on coins after 1909 . I think you may be fairely new to error collecting and may be getting your information from the internet. some of the internet information is not correct. I believe there are coins with RPDs a long time after 1909 and surely after 1953 the date of the OP's coin. the mint workers can do about anything they want to regardless of the rules even today.
     
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  7. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    what is the value these?
     
  8. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    they usually sell for around 3 to 5 dollars on ebay and maybe more for the higher grades. maybe they will go up in price later on. these are worth keeping in my opinion.
     
  9. tommy cent

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    Thanks
     
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  10. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Actually, rascal, according to Wexler...
    It is also on error-ref.com...
    So there are NO repunched dates after 1909 for US coinage. There ARE overdates, such as the 1942/1 Mercury, but that is actually a class III doubled die and does not have to do with the punching of the date.

    If you want to dispute the information provided by Wexler as well as those that put together error-ref.com (such as Mike Diamond, BJ Neff, etc) be my guest.
     
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  11. rascal

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    I figured you were getting your information off the internet . like I said earlier some of the information on the internet is wrong . I'm adding a link for you to a ebay coin , look at who attributed it and maybe you will reconsider saying repunched date coins stopped in 1909 http://www.ebay.com/itm/221020508653?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
     
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  12. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I am well aware of that coin, but many people know that this is a very controversial coin. Many believe it to be die damage and not an RPD. Considering that the mint stopped punching the last two digits after 1909, I must agree with the die damage assessment.

    from lincolncentresource.com...
    Sources:
    http://www.error-ref.com/1956-D_Lincoln_cent_with_partial_5_digit.html
    http://lincolncentresource.com/Controversial/Cents.html

    Charles Daughtrey and Bob Piazza (the owners of coppercoins.com and Lincoln Cent variety experts) also believe it to not be a repunched date.
     
  13. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    could this be why the top of the 5 is like that? I was wondering
    why is it rounded instead of being flat across.
     

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  14. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    No...that is just damage. Your coin has no real correlation with the 1956D "repunched date" coin.
     
  15. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Here is a coin I have that shows die deterioration doubling on the last digit. Notice it does not look like an entirely separate digit...it seems to flow from the 3 and is not raised to the same level as the rest of the date. There is also no notching.
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  16. tommy cent

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    didnt you just say :
    if that were damage wouldnt the whole top of the 5 be round instead of that 1 area?
    also not every error coin is going to fit the profile of lets say wexler or coneca. I never really try to compare my errors to those on other sites because not every error has been seen Im no professional but that would be impossible that every error has been discovered.
     
  17. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Dont get me wrong I appreciate the help I just dont see how the top of that 5 is PMD.
     
  18. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I'm kind of confused by this post.
    Maybe I need to clarify...the top of the 5 on YOUR coin is PMD. The 1956D repunched date is in my opinion die gouges. I can tell by the appearance of the area around the date of the coin you posted that it is definitely circulated...and there's a bunch of hits/scrapes that can be seen. The extra thickness of the 5 on your coin is not due to any mint error.
     
  19. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member


    one thing we can be sure of its a DDD.
     
  20. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Correct...your coin shows die deterioration doubling. That much we can agree on I think. :)
     
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